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11-25-2002, 09:06 PM

Maybe they thought it is just another African country with beautiful sceneries, wildlives etc, you know ... the word "Exotic".

I guess they didn't expect the "wildlives" down there to be so ... "annoying".

11-25-2002, 09:18 PM

Where will they hold the pageant next year? Iran? Afghanistan?

Thor Q. Mada · 11-25-2002, 09:31 PM

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Where will they hold the pageant next year? Iran? Afghanistan?

That was my point. Why holding a pageant (which is a dumb event by the way) in a place which is in a time warp. Somebody mentioned violent. How about corrupt?? Nigeria is a disgrace and a totally unsafe place to travel to except under guard, and even then!! A country out of control, with rich oil resources, which benefit the happy and arrogant few only. And if it goes terribly wrong, well, then it is simple, just blame the former colonial masters. And since it is not your fault, you don't have to do anything yourself , but wait for the hand-outs.

11-25-2002, 09:35 PM

Maybe Saudi Arabia ...

I bet that will be the LAST pagent ever held anywhere IF they held it in Saudi Arabia, since the punishments such as stoning and chopping things up do come to my mind, especially when the girls starts to run around in their bathing suits.

I believe last year was held in Thailand ... if not mistaken. Maybe the sponsors taught if Thailand (with Buddhism that seems to be strict with this sort of things) can allow such pagents, the so-called "peaceful" Islam could also.

Captain Pedantic · 11-26-2002, 05:31 AM

According to another thread, the current Miss World is Nigerian, so the next contest gets held in her country.

Kind of like the Eurovision Song Contest, where the winners host it next year.

Anyway, I think beauty contests are silly, I think all religion is silly at best and I think 215 deaths for this reason is tragic.

Abacus · 11-26-2002, 01:01 PM

<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/838227.asp?0si=-" target="_blank">Nigerian State wants journalist killed.</a>

Wyz_sub10 · 11-26-2002, 02:06 PM

From the article:

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Dangaladima told The Associated Press. �If she (Daniel) is Muslim, she has no option except to die. But if she is a non-Muslim, the only way out for her is to convert to Islam.�

Out of what, exactly? Sounds like a no-win situation.

echidna · 11-26-2002, 02:21 PM

I hear now that it�s been shifted to Britain they can�t get sponsorship.

Someone or other likened the pageant to a toxic waste shipment which no one wanted �

Arrowman · 11-26-2002, 03:51 PM

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Originally posted by echidna:
<strong>Someone or other likened the pageant to a toxic waste shipment which no one wanted �</strong>

That might have been Kathy Lette; she referred to the pageant as "toxic entertainment, like nuclear waste".

<a href="http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/26/1038274301791.html" target="_blank">http://www.theage.com.au/articles/2002/11/26/1038274301791.html</a>

I think Germaine Greer said it most pretentiously, however:

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We are lost in a murderous dialectic between an amoral post-colonial lifestyle and a militaristic religion. I find it horrifying.

11-26-2002, 04:03 PM

215 people died not because of beauty pagent alone, they died because one person's mouth and a group of fools' narrow mindness.

The person (the one came out with the article) stated that prophet Muhammad could approve such shows and he could marry one of the contestant if he was alive today, thus caused strife when narrow-minded Muslims took this as an insult to Muhammad and Islam (especially since the author was a Christian).

In such context ... should we pity them? I don't know about you guys, but they (those who died and those who are fighting and suffering) don't deserve my pity.

PS : I thought the last year Ms. U is a Thailand girl. And Yes, Beauty Pagents are stupid since the contestants are nothing more than bunch of girls showing off their hardward and their so-called intellect. India held one of the most number of Ms. U and run-ups but I yet to see any of them doing anything to improve situations to the locals there.

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11-25-2002, 09:06 PM	#21
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe they thought it is just another African country with beautiful sceneries, wildlives etc, you know ... the word "Exotic". I guess they didn't expect the "wildlives" down there to be so ... "annoying".

11-25-2002, 09:18 PM	#22
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Where will they hold the pageant next year? Iran? Afghanistan?

11-25-2002, 09:35 PM	#24
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	Maybe Saudi Arabia ... I bet that will be the LAST pagent ever held anywhere IF they held it in Saudi Arabia, since the punishments such as stoning and chopping things up do come to my mind, especially when the girls starts to run around in their bathing suits. I believe last year was held in Thailand ... if not mistaken. Maybe the sponsors taught if Thailand (with Buddhism that seems to be strict with this sort of things) can allow such pagents, the so-called "peaceful" Islam could also.

11-26-2002, 05:31 AM	#25
Captain Pedantic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: UK. Posts: 588	According to another thread, the current Miss World is Nigerian, so the next contest gets held in her country. Kind of like the Eurovision Song Contest, where the winners host it next year. Anyway, I think beauty contests are silly, I think all religion is silly at best and I think 215 deaths for this reason is tragic.

11-26-2002, 01:01 PM	#26
Abacus Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: South Dakota Posts: 2,214	<a href="http://www.msnbc.com/news/838227.asp?0si=-" target="_blank">Nigerian State wants journalist killed.</a>

11-26-2002, 02:21 PM	#28
echidna Veteran Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: Melbourne, Australia Posts: 2,832	I hear now that it�s been shifted to Britain they can�t get sponsorship. Someone or other likened the pageant to a toxic waste shipment which no one wanted �

11-26-2002, 04:03 PM	#30
Seraphim Guest Posts: n/a	215 people died not because of beauty pagent alone, they died because one person's mouth and a group of fools' narrow mindness. The person (the one came out with the article) stated that prophet Muhammad could approve such shows and he could marry one of the contestant if he was alive today, thus caused strife when narrow-minded Muslims took this as an insult to Muhammad and Islam (especially since the author was a Christian). In such context ... should we pity them? I don't know about you guys, but they (those who died and those who are fighting and suffering) don't deserve my pity. PS : I thought the last year Ms. U is a Thailand girl. And Yes, Beauty Pagents are stupid since the contestants are nothing more than bunch of girls showing off their hardward and their so-called intellect. India held one of the most number of Ms. U and run-ups but I yet to see any of them doing anything to improve situations to the locals there.

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