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Old 06-16-2003, 06:07 AM   #1
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Default God and God's human attributes

God is seemingly very much alike humans.

I am sure you can provide scripture to find these things.

God is:

Loving/Love
Wrathful
Jealous
Condemning
Forgiving
Mercyfull
Evil (Sodoma(S) and Gomorra(G))

God it seems is made up of many of the same emotions that we as humans can experience.

Funnily it was humans who wrote the Bible.


How is it that God can be both good and bad, both forgiving and not forgiving(S&G)?
I realize that it was divine justice, yet even so it is evil when looking with human eyes, in the eyes of God I am sure it was "Good", but to my simple mind God violated God's own commandment; Thou shall not kill.

If God being God is allowed to do this, then "Evil" is an integral part of God, as I can not discern when something is Evil with Lucifer or if it is "Evil" divinely justified with God.

When Hitler killed all those he did, who is to say that that many humans, as in S&G, were deserving of death?

Did God use Hitler in a way we don't know?

I am not condoning Hitlers act, but then again I am only human.


How come God has all these attributes, yet none are Evil as some claim?

And if we are in the image of God, I too will have jealous thoughts, wrathful thoughts, loving thoughts and so on. Where do I not look like God?
God may be infinitely up the scale of creation and Love and so on, but am I on the same scale, only farther down?


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...if we are in the image of God...

There's the problem, Darth. You have that backwards. God is made in *our* image, not vice versa. And that God, the one in our image, does not exist except in fiction.
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Is this an EoG topic, or more of a MF&P or GRD topic?

Let's see where the next couple of posts go, but I have a feeling this will stray from 'existence'.
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There's the problem, Darth. You have that backwards. God is made in *our* image, not vice versa. And that God, the one in our image, does not exist except in fiction.

Since this forum is under EoG's, we will assume for the sake of argument that God Is, if you don't wanna join the thought experiment, then let those who wish to discuss, under the assumption that God Is, join and discuss.

I know Jobar you have that stance, but can you play along to see if logic thinking can hold water?




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Since this forum is under EoG's, we will assume for the sake of argument that God Is, if you don't wanna join the thought experiment, then let those who wish to discuss, under the assumption that God Is, join and discuss.
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If this thread operates under the assumption that god exists, and it's about something other than proving, refuting, discussing god's exsistence, then it does not belong here.

The thread stays here only if the existence of god is at the heart of the issue.

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God doesn't have human attributes - humans have Godly attributes. To the degree that we don't, we're not human.
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"God exists, because God have human attributes" - That could be a slogan

God doesn't have human attributes - humans have Godly attributes. To the degree that we don't, we're not human.

What Godly attributes do we not have?
And if we don't have them, what are we if not human?




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Darth, what do you see when you picture god?

Does god look human? That is the impression given by the bible, as far as I can tell.

Does god have a mouth? Why, does he eat?

Would god have an anus? Does god need to shit? Does god have a spleen? An appendix? Could god have a heart attack? Does god have genitals?

Seems to me that the idea of a god that looks human is definitely a product of humans, because that god would have huge numbers of useless traits!

Of course that doesn't really matter if god doesn't look human, but again the impression I get is that Christians picture god in this way.
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Darth, what do you see when you picture god?

"God is more truly imagined than expressed, and He exists more truly than He is imagined. " - St Augustine


Does god look human? That is the impression given by the bible, as far as I can tell.

That is my conclusion as well.

Seems to me that the idea of a god that looks human is definitely a product of humans, because that god would have huge numbers of useless traits!

Or it could be that it is useful, only we don't for what as such.

Of course that doesn't really matter if god doesn't look human, but again the impression I get is that Christians picture god in this way.

Yeah sorta.




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Wow, interesting.

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Or it could be that it is useful, only we don't for what as such.
I have to admit I have no idea whatsoever what use god would have for any of the things I mentioned in my last post. Can you enlighten me by making a couple of speculations as to possible uses?

More questions, I'm afraid. How human like is he? Basically human like? Very human like? Does he have organs? Are his organs made of cells? Are his cells made of protiens? Does he have DNA? Does that mean he is made of atoms? I'd guess not, but when does his structural components stop looking like ours? If he has DNA, does he have regions that are just random viral inserts and evolutionary baggage like us? How tall is he?
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