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Bobby · 10-15-2002, 05:49 PM

GOD is real! He is everywhere! I urge you to believe me, friend! I have an argument that supports this. Look at the wind. Can you see the wind? No, nobody can! It's the same thing with GOD! You can't see GOD, but HE is there! You may say, you can see the effect of wind, though. Well, you can also see the effect of GOD on a person. When a drunk gets saved, he doesn't want to see another thing of beer. When a prostitute gets saved, she doesn't stand on the streets anymore for money. She goes to get a job, and joins a church. I could go on and on! If Osama Bin Laden got saved, you would definitely see the effect of GOD on HIM. Same with any person. But I'm getting off subject now. Now many atheists have said to me, "Well you can measure the wind! Can you measure GOD?" My answer to this is simple. No you can't measure GOD because HE is everywhere! You could not find a ruler or measure stick big enough to measure GOD! Now you might say, "Well that still doesn't answer the question!" Yes it does! Anyways, I don't think that you would want to measure GOD because you would be desintegrated by HIS beauty and HIS shining love! I know that this won't prove that GOD exists to many of you, but I would like to see what you have to say to this argument.

Utnapishtim · 10-15-2002, 05:53 PM

You've got to be kidding. Does this even qualify as an arguement?

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Utnapishtim ]

Hayden · 10-15-2002, 06:15 PM

You can pass wind, which might have been more persuasive than your argument.

HR

Jeremy Pallant · 10-15-2002, 06:16 PM

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Originally posted by Bobby:
Look at the wind. Can you see the wind?

Of course you can see the wind. Take a sample, cool it down enough and it turns liquid. Bingo!

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Originally posted by Bobby:
Well, you can also see the effect of GOD on a person. When a drunk gets saved, he doesn't want to see another thing of beer. When a prostitute gets saved, she doesn't stand on the streets anymore for money. She goes to get a job, and joins a church.

Pure unsubstantiated anecdotes. Oh, and I can think of at least one Christian cult that encouraged prositution.

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Originally posted by Bobby:
Now many atheists have said to me, "Well you can measure the wind! Can you measure GOD?" My answer to this is simple. No you can't measure GOD because HE is everywhere!

Prove it.

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Originally posted by Bobby:
You could not find a ruler or measure stick big enough to measure GOD! Now you might say, "Well that still doesn't answer the question!" Yes it does!

No, it doesn't. It's simply one thoroughly indoctrinated cult member repeating what another thoroughly indoctrinated cult member told him. It's designed to make you feel better about your religion, not convince those outside it.

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Anyways, I don't think that you would want to measure GOD because you would be desintegrated by HIS beauty and HIS shining love!

According to your scriptures, Abraham met your god face to face and wasn't disintegrated. Besides, if your bible is half-way accurate, it doesn't describe his beauty or his love any more than Bret Easton Ellis' American Psycho describes the actions of a benevolent philanthopist.

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Originally posted by Bobby:
I know that this won't prove that GOD exists to many of you, but I would like to see what you have to say to this argument.

Totally unconvincing, no evidence presented, and an argument designed to preach to the choir. You and your fellows find it convincing, but atheists like myself do not.

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Jeremy Pallant ]

Uzzah · 10-15-2002, 06:27 PM

hmm...lemme rewrite some stuff real quick...

ZEUS is real! He is everywhere! I urge you to believe me, friend! I have an argument that supports this. Look at the wind. Can you see the wind? No, nobody can! It's the same thing with ZEUS! You can't see ZEUS, but HE is there! You may say, you can see the effect of wind, though. Well, you can also see the effect of ZEUS on a person. When a drunk gets saved, he doesn't want to see another thing of beer. When a prostitute gets saved, she doesn't stand on the streets anymore for money. She goes to get a job, and joins a church. I could go on and on! If Osama Bin Laden got saved, you would definitely see the effect of ZEUS on HIM. Same with any person. But I'm getting off subject now. Now many atheists have said to me, "Well you can measure the wind! Can you measure ZEUS?" My answer to this is simple. No you can't measure ZEUS because HE is everywhere! You could not find a ruler or measure stick big enough to measure ZEUS! Now you might say, "Well that still doesn't answer the question!" Yes it does! Anyways, I don't think that you would want to measure ZEUS because you would be desintegrated by HIS beauty and HIS shining love! I know that this won't prove that ZEUS exists to many of you, but I would like to see what you have to say to this argument.

yep....still makes just as much sense....

Uzzah

[ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Uzzah ]

K · 10-15-2002, 06:38 PM

Bobby:

Do you really consider this an argument? Do you honestly believe that none of us have been theists? That we haven't looked deeply and seriously into this issue? If you're really looking to convert people here, you're going to have to use your brain instead of just spewing mindless garbage designed to assure believers and maybe young children.

Bobby · 10-15-2002, 07:17 PM

Jeremy, I am not in a cult. I am a born again, bible-believing Christian! That is not a cult! To all of you, I can say on judgment day that I told you that GOD was real, but you just mocked me. You will see that GOD is real when you see HIM as your judge. It will be too late for you to accept HIM then, so I urge you to please accept HIM now! He is real! He loves you and wants you to accept HIM, so please do before it is too late! I do not have good evidence to give to you, but my faith. If you check out some other Christian sites, they will give you pages and pages of evidence. Please give this message some thought!

Peter Kirby · 10-15-2002, 07:23 PM

I have no idea whether this is serious or not, but it obviously is more appropriate in Rants, Raves, and Preaching.

best,
Peter Kirby (moderator)

10-15-2002, 05:49 PM	#1
Bobby Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ME Posts: 12	Is GOD real? GOD is real! He is everywhere! I urge you to believe me, friend! I have an argument that supports this. Look at the wind. Can you see the wind? No, nobody can! It's the same thing with GOD! You can't see GOD, but HE is there! You may say, you can see the effect of wind, though. Well, you can also see the effect of GOD on a person. When a drunk gets saved, he doesn't want to see another thing of beer. When a prostitute gets saved, she doesn't stand on the streets anymore for money. She goes to get a job, and joins a church. I could go on and on! If Osama Bin Laden got saved, you would definitely see the effect of GOD on HIM. Same with any person. But I'm getting off subject now. Now many atheists have said to me, "Well you can measure the wind! Can you measure GOD?" My answer to this is simple. No you can't measure GOD because HE is everywhere! You could not find a ruler or measure stick big enough to measure GOD! Now you might say, "Well that still doesn't answer the question!" Yes it does! Anyways, I don't think that you would want to measure GOD because you would be desintegrated by HIS beauty and HIS shining love! I know that this won't prove that GOD exists to many of you, but I would like to see what you have to say to this argument.

10-15-2002, 05:53 PM	#2
Utnapishtim Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 330	You've got to be kidding. Does this even qualify as an arguement? [ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Utnapishtim ]</p>

10-15-2002, 06:27 PM	#5
Uzzah Regular Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Tennessee Posts: 196	hmm...lemme rewrite some stuff real quick... ZEUS is real! He is everywhere! I urge you to believe me, friend! I have an argument that supports this. Look at the wind. Can you see the wind? No, nobody can! It's the same thing with ZEUS! You can't see ZEUS, but HE is there! You may say, you can see the effect of wind, though. Well, you can also see the effect of ZEUS on a person. When a drunk gets saved, he doesn't want to see another thing of beer. When a prostitute gets saved, she doesn't stand on the streets anymore for money. She goes to get a job, and joins a church. I could go on and on! If Osama Bin Laden got saved, you would definitely see the effect of ZEUS on HIM. Same with any person. But I'm getting off subject now. Now many atheists have said to me, "Well you can measure the wind! Can you measure ZEUS?" My answer to this is simple. No you can't measure ZEUS because HE is everywhere! You could not find a ruler or measure stick big enough to measure ZEUS! Now you might say, "Well that still doesn't answer the question!" Yes it does! Anyways, I don't think that you would want to measure ZEUS because you would be desintegrated by HIS beauty and HIS shining love! I know that this won't prove that ZEUS exists to many of you, but I would like to see what you have to say to this argument. yep....still makes just as much sense.... Uzzah [ October 15, 2002: Message edited by: Uzzah ]</p>

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10-15-2002, 06:15 PM	#3
Hayden Senior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Wellington, New Zealand Posts: 712	You can pass wind, which might have been more persuasive than your argument. HR

10-15-2002, 06:38 PM	#6
K Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: Chicago Posts: 1,485	Bobby: Do you really consider this an argument? Do you honestly believe that none of us have been theists? That we haven't looked deeply and seriously into this issue? If you're really looking to convert people here, you're going to have to use your brain instead of just spewing mindless garbage designed to assure believers and maybe young children.

10-15-2002, 07:17 PM	#7
Bobby Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ME Posts: 12	Jeremy, I am not in a cult. I am a born again, bible-believing Christian! That is not a cult! To all of you, I can say on judgment day that I told you that GOD was real, but you just mocked me. You will see that GOD is real when you see HIM as your judge. It will be too late for you to accept HIM then, so I urge you to please accept HIM now! He is real! He loves you and wants you to accept HIM, so please do before it is too late! I do not have good evidence to give to you, but my faith. If you check out some other Christian sites, they will give you pages and pages of evidence. Please give this message some thought!

10-15-2002, 07:23 PM	#8
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	I have no idea whether this is serious or not, but it obviously is more appropriate in Rants, Raves, and Preaching. best, Peter Kirby (moderator)

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