Mageth

How many of you have never made an excuse for a mistake you made?

I have, but so what? Is such an action really so bad that it should require death and eternal damnation to hell?

Look at god; he covered up a mistake he made by drowning the entire earth, sans the few occupants of a boat. Where's his punishment?

Jobar

I recall seeing this quote from a reading primer used by the Pilgrims (IIRC):

"In Adam's falle/
We sinned alle."

Admitted that was for children- but the clear implication is that Adam's sin in and of itself is passed on to all his descendants. The verses in Genesis seem to say exactly that. It's not a *predisposition* to sin we supposedly inherit.

mike_decock

He did have an excuse. He had no knowledge of good and evil.

-Mike...

brighid

How could Mary be without original sin if she was conceived by the "normal" method of human reproduction, if sex is what "transmits" this sin? (since the same reasoning is used to absolve Jesus of that transmitted trait.)

B

Rhea

It is confusing. The only way to be conceived "without sin" is by virgin birth, right? So Mary's mother had to be a virgin, too. Or is it possible to be born without sin in between sex acts? That doesn't seem right, you know? If it was okay for Mary's mother to not be virgin, why did mary have to be virgin?

yguy

There is your evidence of original sin, that's what. We are all made of the same stuff Adam became when he did what he shouldn't have.

If we keep doing it, there is no alternative, because excuses come from enmity with the truth and love for lies. Such an attitude not only couldn't exist in Heaven, it wouldn't want to. Unfortunately for such souls, Heaven is ultimately the only game in town; Hell is what's left.

That wasn't His mistake, it was Cain's.

yguy

Had that been a legitimate excuse, he would have used it. He'd have had no need to foist the blame onto someone else.

Starboy

So god originally made Adam with the inclination to sin?

Starboy

Mageth

There is your evidence of original sin, that's what. We are all made of the same stuff Adam became when he did what he shouldn't have.

Which was what, eating the forbidden fruit or making an excuse?

If we keep doing it, there is no alternative, because excuses come from enmity with the truth and love for lies. Such an attitude not only couldn't exist in Heaven, it wouldn't want to. Unfortunately for such souls, Heaven is ultimately the only game in town; Hell is what's left.

Playing left field, I dropped the ball. Coach called me on it. "The sun was in my eyes, Coach." A BONG sounds from heaven - "Thou artst condemned to an eternity of suffering in Hell, young man, for thou hast made an excuse for dropping the ball."

Yup, sounds fair to me.

That wasn't His mistake, it was Cain's.

Sounds like you're making excuses for God. Bad boy, hell for you I guess.

Who created Cain, capable of making such a blunder? God, supposedly, and he fesses up to it.

God admitted his mistake in creating mankind in Genesis, even repented of it (who does God repent to? Himself, I guess) but covered up his mistake by drowning the earth. He doesn't mention or try to lay the blame on Cain like you do, at least.

From Genesis 6:

5 And GOD saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every imagination of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

6 And it repented the LORD that he had made man on the earth, and it grieved him at his heart.

7 And the LORD said, I will destroy man whom I have created from the face of the earth; both man, and beast, and the creeping thing, and the fowls of the air; for it repenteth me that I have made them.

mike_decock

Why did Adam do what he shouldn't have?

-Mike...