factfinder

So far I have seen one response which should lead to the question of motive...

The separation (or lack thereof) of Church & State. Christianity does definitely stand up to the Laws which conflict with the teachings of Jesus: Abortion, Gay Marriage (whether I was Christian or not! YUCKKKKKK!-sorry another debate, another time), etc.

However, these debates would exist regardless of whether there were professing Christians in the world. i.e. there are non-believers who would debate on either side of 'ethical' law.

So, in effect, to argue against Christianity in order to impose one's own sense of morals is, in effect, an effort to surpress free speech, no? This would mean that their is some form of belief system that the 'non-believer' wishes to impose on the believer, in effect (rather than a disbelief).

What is that 'source' belief? That is the core I am looking for.

Rusting Car Bumper

I sympathize with what you say. I frequently say that all these "God exist" debates are the wrong focus. Non-believers should be worrying about getting along better with believers instead of trying to argue with and about them all day.

DC

factfinder

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---I stayed here because we have a slice of truth that most of the world has missed. I hate lies, I hate ignorance, I hate superstition. Religion is nothing but lies, ignorance, and superstition, so I fight it. It's a moral obligation--
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Me: Where does this morality come from? What makes you believe in morality? What makes you hate anything?

Relative Newcomer

Magus,

First of all, where did this statement come from?
It has nothing to do with my post. This discussion isn't about how ppl worshipped 2000 yrs ago.
Hop on over to the "Church-State Separation & Secular Activism" forum and tell me it has nothing to do with actual christianity.

factfinder

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--you're surely going to get a lot of people arguing heatedly about religion, which has a significantly greater impact on people's lives--

Why does religion bear more impact on people's lives than Metallica? (They were awesome live! & don't you dare dispute it!)

King Rat

Well, you've got a couple of problems here. First, we aren't talking about morality, so dump that one. Second, I can't speak for the rest of the 'Evil Atheist Conspiracy' but I'm not trying to impose anything on anybody. Then again, I don't think of exposing others to critical thinking as an 'imposition.'

Also keep in mind, the 'Evil Atheist Conspiracy' has yet to burn anyone at the stake. Now that is an imposition.

Relative Newcomer

Metallica rules, but they don't rule billions of followers minds

factfinder

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--But until that day, it's vitally important that people be told the truth about KKKristianity: it's opportunist authoritarianism that preys on weak minds and has no bearing on reality.--

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...So then, it's safe to say that your intellectual level is much greater than any Christian who ever walked the face of the earth?

I know, I know....F*** off you F***ing Christian, right?

Mageth

factfinder:

As a sidenote, Islam acknowledges the historicity of Jesus and, moreover, acknowledges him as a great prophet. So, ironically, this builds a case for the historicity of Jesus.

No, it doesn't. It merely indicates that Islam accepts (at least part of) the Jesus legend; it does nothing to support the legend itself, any more than the Islam acceptance (with some modifications) of the Creation and Flood myths lends credence to those myths.

braces_for_impact

Though this was part of my post, it was not the only part. I actually provided several reasons per your request.

Another thread, another time. There have been several threads on this topic, you might want to seek them out.

No. If we were attempting to make Christians never speak of god or keep him out of the public venue then we would be supressing free speech. Fighting those that wish to base laws and morality on their religious beliefs as opposed to reason is a struggle for freedom and happiness.

Metallica sucks after their "In Justice for All" album. St. Anger is crap and incredibly dissapointing. As far as live concerts, I don't know, I have never been to one of their performances.

Could you imagine if there were people in government that wanted to make you live your life according to some doctrine of Metallica? Then it might matter in people's lives a bit more eh?