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Old 03-31-2003, 12:08 AM   #1
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Does it strike anyone else odd that God considers blind faith the highest human virtue. Above all others it's to be blindly gullible and accept "truth" without proof on the whims of tradition?!
It reminds me of communist policy.

Nothing ground breaking, I just found it amusing to look at it from this point of view.
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Does it strike anyone else odd that God considers blind faith the highest human virtue. Above all others it's to be blindly gullible and accept "truth" without proof on the whims of tradition?!
It reminds me of communist policy.

Nothing ground breaking, I just found it amusing to look at it from this point of view.
Actually I'm not sure if he considers blind faith the highest human virtue, Solanalos. My guess would be that the answer would be that love is the highest human virtue.

1 Corinthians 13: "These three remain, faith, hope, and love. But the greatest of these is love."

Why? Because one of these days the need for faith will disappear - we will see him as he is. We will walk by sight instead of faith. Also the need for hope will disappear, for why hope for what we already have - a restored relationship with our Creator and creation.

However, love will always endure. It will be the one quality that will last througout eternity. It is what we were created to do - love God an be loved by Him.

So in answer to your question, I think in God's book love is the greatest human virtue.

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Everything is second to faith in religion. Your belief that love is the highest virtue comes from your faith that what is written in the Bible is the word of God. The faith comes first.
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Does it strike anyone else odd that God considers blind faith the highest human virtue.
Blind faith is the highest human virtue in the eyes of the clergy, not god.
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In the clergy for sure but God as well. Any God that doesn't reveal himself with certainty is placing faith first.
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a restored relationship with our Creator and creation. [...] It is what we were created to do [...]
There ya go again! Please define 'created'.

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Does it strike anyone else odd that God considers blind faith the highest human virtue. Above all others it's to be blindly gullible and accept "truth" without proof on the whims of tradition?!
It reminds me of communist policy.

Nothing ground breaking, I just found it amusing to look at it from this point of view.
There's no such thing as a 'supreme virtue'.

For example, is wisdom 'better' than (say) courage?
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I thought faith, hope & love were considered the three eternal theological virtues? I seem to remember reading some article by Karl Rahner saying that faith will still be required even if you see God in the flesh.

Or is that just a Catholic idea?
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There's no such thing as a 'supreme virtue'.

For example, is wisdom 'better' than (say) courage?
I will say that wisdom is better than courage--without wisdom, how do you know that what you're doing is courageous or simply ridiculous?

I think that there are supreme virtues, but that they are determined by individuals and groups for themselves and so are completely subjective. (Like everything else in human society.)

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Spurly - OK, so Jesus told us to love our neighbours as ourselves, but I thought there’s something about a person having to believe in Jesus before getting ever-lasting life? And isn't there also something about repentance?
Love - without belief and repentance - is not, I think, sufficient.
According to your fellow Christian, the redoubtable Ed, it’s certainly not sufficient. I have questioned him on that very point and he has told me, unambiguously, that not to believe the divinity of Jesus Christ will send you to hell, no matter how loving you’ve been.
Believing that Jesus Christ is God is therefore - according to Ed - the primary virtue.
Perhaps you don’t agree with him?
If not, it won’t be the first time we have seen Christians unable to agree on fundamental doctrine.

Why is that?

Who know who is right?

Who is the final arbiter, and how does this final arbiter make his / her / its judgment known to us poor mortals before we die? Or must we die, then find out we’d got it all wrong?
(I don’t suppose any of this troubles you at all.
It doesn’t trouble me, either, but that’s because god doesn’t exist.
But if you believe in God, then I think you owe it to your intellect to try working these things through.)
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