Vinnie

Further, your reading of what I wrote is very dense here. You make it out as if I am accusing Christian missionaries here. You are advocating a straw man. Obviously the Christian missionary going to such children does it out of love, out of an attempt of bringing hope and food and "a better existence" to these children. I would hope and assume that in most cases but the fact of the matter is that the Gospel should be "good news" to all. The model of PS that I critiqued is not good news to victims. It blames them for Adam's sin. That should at least force us to "rethink" PS.

Vinnie

Cthulhu

Gather round, folks, and bask in the Christian love.

Vinnie

What are you talking about? I'm pumped. That is going to be my first trophy!

Vinnie

Cthulhu

Maybe you'll get lucky and he'll send you a copy of his new book Zen Training for Christians: Read This Book and Get Back To Me. I hear it's a real page-turner.

Vinnie

Given the trophy I won, maybe Zen Training for Dummies or The Idiots Guide to Zen Training is what I need?

Vinnie

worldling

Radorth, I for one would be very interested in any analogy you could provide which you think is more appropriate.

Bill Snedden

Interesting. When I first saw the OP and read the article, I thought, "I wonder if he's read about Solidarity Atonement?" Metacrock started a thread on it in one of these fora a couple of years ago and I thought it was an interesting and wholly more satisfying notion at the time.

Incidentally, Thomas Paine also argues a variation of your point #7 in his Age of Reason. Unless you're only interested in Christian viewpoints, you might take a look. It could be worth at least a footnote.

Regards,

Bill Snedden

Radorth

Well I can't think of one to communicate better than the Bible why God allowed his son to (willingly) die in our stead. Jesus did it "for the joy set before him" when he saw what he could do in just a few hours. But of course almost any analogy would be better than the one Vinnie used. I suppose an unmarried Christian Marine jumping on a hand grenade to save his friends (as has happened) is still not there, but far closer. Everybody wins. The anti-atonement arguments are usually full of rhetorical qyestions and bad anaologies, and Vinnies is no exception.

I'd like to see him list all the scriptures which support it (as a benevolent act where nobody loses), and argue we have misinterpreted them. However I'm afraid he can't even find them though he presents himself as a researcher.

Re Vinnie

Obviously not, even though you claim to be a Christian. And suggesting that is their message is patronizing and communicates nothing but your own bias.

Vinnie

Mr I have a reading comprehension problem comes back for another round. What does that have to do with original sin and the imputation of Adamic guilt that my judge analogy was talking about??? :banghead:

Again, I did not suggest that was their message :banghead:

Vinnie

Vinnie

Which part of Tp's AofR?
http://www.infidels.org/library/hist...on/index.shtml

I'll give it a looksy if anyone can direct me to the relevant part of it.

Vinnie