Muffinstuffer

Well until I turn into them, I'm me. As it is, I may end up just leaving the board anyway if enough people like TomboyMom come to me and tell me my very presence here is revolting, and would I please leave, so I don't think I'll have to worry about being 'converted.'

Starboy

If only it were that simple. I agree, if people come together and questioned each other innocently, that is all to the good, but if there is an overt or unspoken desire to bring someone into your religion or remove them from their religion, well that is just not polite. However there is another kind of proselytizing that the religious engage in that I also find equally obnoxious. That is their desire to make the world conform to their view of reality, to impress their concepts of right and wrong on everyone. Now I have no problem if they wish to hold themselves to their own law but to take religious precepts and demand that the government as a matter of law observe them and enforce them on everyone is both intolerant and un-American.

Starboy

Ronin

Just advising you that it can and has been done, my friend...especially in light of your frequent appearances here.

TomboyMom

I wish I had a r/t ignore list for Christian witnessers.

Oh yeah, the last time your obnoxious brethren tried to witness to me was about 2 weeks ago. I told them to get their sick propaganda away from me.

Rene

Ronin

And, for another view ~

This is a privately owned public internet bulletin board, Muffinstuffer...and open to ideological and personal exchanges.

You may also put TomboyMom on your ignore list and carry on.

As a descendant of the Euchee, I can also harbor great resentment for the Christians and the doctrine that remains genocidal and intolerant.

I choose, however, to examine how you reconcile what you perceive to be good Christian behavior with that of the stated and accepted doctrine.

Then you should have no problems with those here that prefer not to hear about Christianity...or offer their personal opinion of that dogma.

I don't mind myself...as long as we meet in a thread designed to generate such discussion.

That is fair, isn't it?

I get witnessed to about as much when off duty...quite a bit more when in badge. Seems the criminal element is determined to bypass the common law of our country regarding violent crimes in favor of the good old "Only God can judge me"...easy out.

It must be good to know that your paradise will house such terrors since they do, in fact, accept Christ as their savior.

It does not stop me from refuting their supernatural hocus pocus when it occurs...no offense to their non-sensibilities intended.

How about having to sit in on Satanic prayers?

...or carrying around Satan money?

...swearing to Satan before giving testimony or being suspiciously eyed as some sort of untrustworthy liar?


There is no requirement.

Would you vote for an atheist over a christian...all other requirements equal?

Citizens used to feel the same way about women and racial minorities just a few years ago...prior to the civil rights movement.

It is long overdue that atheists be given the same understanding.

That is all I am asking from society with my activism.

Since you imply that you are not, then it is just a reflection of how you are able to somehow bypass that part of the Christian doctrine...nothing more.

I think that it may be the 'almost' that is referenced.

I found you already fully engaged in your pro-Christian schpeel, complete with implied references to miraculous events...on this very site.

I don't mind refuting it...as reality in plain view is such a strong supporter of naturalism.

The Christian doctrine is, as stated in its own rulebook, noxious...I often see those mindsnared by the dogma sort of like victims of a tyrannical cult, especially when they avoid confronting the hard questions about their 'faith' in favor of changing the topic or claiming some sort of persecuted martyrdom.

You have reached that certain point a couple of times.

I will remain to debate you on whatever ground you require.

beyelzu

I think that it is very telling that Ronin and I argued for like a week regarding altruism in a meandering thread in this forum. At no point did either of us accuse the other of being uncivil or evil.


Most of the atheists here are pretty open minded and engage in debate based on the merits of the argument.

If the standard of proof is too high for some of the theists that come here, then maybe they need to reevaluate their beliefs instead of whining about us evil, persecuting, atheist bastards.

beyelzu

muffinstuffer



president in fact if not by law. since the televised national conventions began airing presidents repeatedly use the word god to show that they arent evil unbelievers or nonxians I think.


both sides do it, the republicans maybe a little more so.

tell me of an openly atheist president in america???????????????

Ronin

Yeah...and now that I've gotten to know you, B...can't kick your ass or drink you under any tables...words are all I have left.

Muffinstuffer

My frequent appearances here are due to the fact that, despite our differences in opinion and belief, I truly enjoy the conversation.

Muffinstuffer

Well, I promise you that I will not witness to you. At all. I can't say that I will not answer questions about what I believe, but beyond that, I won't witness.