Amos

That is just the point dear Bible Humper! If we are born unto the seventh day our life will be iluminated by the celestial light and we will no longer have to extrapolate light from the sun to illuminate our day. Notice that this light was created on the first day and the sun was not created until the third day or so.

Notice also that the seventh day takes place in Gen.2 for those who come full circle on the seventh day. The rest just go round and round week in and week out and are not aware of the special condition of the seventh day while at rest in eternity.

What it actually shows is that God already put a plan of salvation in place long before the fall of man ever took place.

So yes, MAN (as opposed to human) comes full circle on the seventh day and the rest continues to alleviate the pains of alientaion while finding pleasure in their senses.

The 8th day is Monday.

Notice also that Easter is celebrated for two days because that is the day on which evening did not follow the day. Opposite this is Christmas which is also celebrated for two days because here light did not follow the darkness of the darkest night in a person's life. See the difference?

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Bible Humper

Hello again, Amos!

I do indeed! I can't help but notice the astrological aspects of this idea, but isn't celebrating celestial phenomena strictly a pagan tradition? I've also never heard of a "two day christmas", could you explain that please?

I know that you go your own way with your theology, but I'm assuming that this is the "real" catholic answer because there wasn't even a hint of the ego this time!

Amos

But we're proud of our pagan heritage and never really thought that we are modified Jews. We adopted the OT for the conviction of sin and that is about all.

In case you did not know, we would call ourselves Jews by adoption because of the OT laws, and, of course, Jesus was a Jew. However, to distinguish Catholicism from Judaism the lineage of Jesus was taken from David (as was foretold and presented in Matthew) and this Jewish origen is bypassed when the lineage of Jesus is traced right back "to Adam, to God," in Luke 3:36.

You may call it "boxing day" but in our tradition there are no presents at Christmas but just Christmas for two days and begins with midnight mass. We have presents on Dec.6 which is a foreshadow of Jan.6 (Epiphany). The Eastern rite doesn't celebrate Christmas until Epiphany. It is their way affirm the Virgin Birth which is therefore the first promise of Easter to follow. In other words, no Virgin Birth means no Epiphany means no Easter (and bible reading doesn't help).

Actually all my stuff is real Catholic but should not be told from the pulpit and that is why most people don't know about it.

offa

Offa;
My fundie friends, Creation began on Saturday at sundown.
The First Day was Sunday. After 14 Years (Days) there was
a 17 1/2 Day intercalation changing the New Year from
Saturday Evening to Wednesday morning. After another 14
Years the intercalation changed the New Year beginning
from Wednesday Morning to Saturday Evening.
Now, you clowns that do not recognize multiple names for
locations, that is, more than one Tyre, more than one
Bethlehem, more than one Galilee, and more than one Egypt
will let my curt message slip right past that empty space
between your ears. Or, perhaps, you can find some biblical
scholar to refute my message, the first day was Saturday
Evening making Friday p. as the beginning of Sabbath. Why
in the hell do we work on Sunday ... the Jews allow it
because their day off vacation is Saturday. What have the
Jews got to do with it? They run our country and every
time you past a gas station and look at the .9 on the gas
billboard, that's Jewish. This is a fundie board and all
your experts and moderator's are a bunch of apes.

thanks, Offa

P.S. Edited to apologize to those who feel that my scolding is because I think I am more intelligent, I am not, I am simply Offa and I disagree with about everybody except Amos.

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Starspun

wtf is this dribble?

where is your proof of this claim? And how do you reconcile 14 years being equal to 14 days? Step out of your fantasy land.
24 hours=1 day
365 1/4 days=1 year


This has nothing to do with this thread. Besides, it's BS. Prove there was ever another Egypt or Galilee.

Here you say the first day was saturaday evening, yet at the beginning of this...rave? madness? whatever, you say the first day is Sunday. Make up our minds already.

LOL. get a grip Mr Conspiracy. The .9 you are talking about is directly related to marketing. It's called price wars. If a station down the street is charging 1.05 per gallon of fuel, another station can charge 1.04 and 9/10's. This makes the price look cheaper, thereby getting the customers eye as he/she is driving.

One more thing, our experts and moderators aren't apes, they are all Jewish. With high rankings in the trilateral commission and the illuminati.
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Amos

Well now offa, I agree with you here but I am not sure if I agree with your interpretation. Rather, your approach is foreign to me and beyond my criticism. Interesting, perhaps, but not mine.

To me it is simple. The seventh day is the day on which evening did not follow the day and is therefore called Sunday. If Sunday is the seventh day, Monday is the first and European calenders agree with me on this.

Many bibles have this all backwards and it is because the Catholic NAB is so obviously clear on this "evening did not follow the day concept" of mine that if you are going to 'put God first in your life' (as protestant do) you better make Sunday the first day of the week and change to bible to accomodate this. Simple, not?

Here is what the NAB repeats after each day: "Evening came and morning followed--the first day." This is repeated six times with the last one being "the sixth day" and then on the seventh day God just blessed it and made it holy. Notice that evening did not follow the seventh day.

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Radcliffe Emerson

I've read the Sabbath was originally changed to
Sunday due to the sole reason that the Jews worshipped on Saturday and Christians did not want the Romans associating them in with the Jews.

Amos

The Jews worshipped on Saturday because for them Sunday has not come just yet. Sunday here is the day of salvation or the day on which evening did not follow the day.

Catholics (not Christians) are followers of Jesus and He made Sunday known as the day of salvation.

Catholics never did anything for image appeal.

FunkyRes

<a href="http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/" target="_blank">http://www.seventhdaybaptist.org/</a>

Sabbath does start Friday sundown and ends Saturday
sundown.

I can't remember his name (I'll look it up if you want- it was Samuel B**********) did some extensive research on this in the vatican library and found evidence that an early pope changed it for the purpose of persecuting Jews or something like that.

edit-
For the record, in the Olivet Discourse (Matthew 24) Jesus specifically says to pray that your flight would not be on a Sabbath or with kids.

Seems he envisioned Sabbath continuing ...

My take- I'm a former Seventh Day Baptist (now I go on sunday).

The Sabbath is a blessing, but we are no longer under the law.

If we keep the sabbath for the purpose of fulfilling the law then we are slaves to the law and the truth is not in us.

If we keep the Sabbath for the purpose of receiving the blessing God has to offer in the Sabbath Day- it is truly one AWESOME blessing.

There are Christian groups that keep the sabbath- such as the one I mentioned and Jews for Jesus etc.

There are also those that keep the Sabbath as a family blessing- a time for family fellowship and rest- and go to Church the following day.

Sabbath keepers need to be careful to not make it a legalism, however.

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FunkyRes

Wasn't Antioch (Greece- not my Antioch) where the followers of Jesus were first called Christians?

That doesn't jive with your statement.

I assume you meant protestant, not Christian- but if my assumption is wrong, please clarify.

EDIT-
Where did Jesus make Sunday known as the day of Salvation?

I ask because Heaven is described as a Sabbath Rest ... but I never see Jesus proclaiming anything related to Sunday

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