Sabine Grant

I had to ask you what you believe as your post stated that since they were doing God's Will they should be forgiven. As if God " made them do it". Again is it what you implied? I did answer your question when I stated that God does not ( IMF in my faith) force people to do anything by " posessing" their minds. We have the choice to do it or not do it. The romans were not being consciously obedient to God going thru a process of " well let me see... if that dude is the jewish Messiah prophecized in Scriptures, I need to execute him to fulfill God's Will". They indeed had no idea who the " dude" was. They put Christ to death as they would put to death any other convicted criminal. They had no knowledge of the difference.
Crucifixion was the mode of executing death penalty for convicted criminals. He was a criminal in their eyes like any other convict. He was no different than the two other thieves.
So what is your point in your first remark.... that God somehow posessed the minds of any man who ever killed anyone and made him do it? I realize that the concept of individual accountability is not appealing.... " oh... you mean an authority is going to hold me accountable for my choices of actions" NO WAY !
But that is how it works... cannot do the old Eve/Adam trick of " she made me do it" or " the serpent made me do it". Or " God made me do it". That one is very popular in our days.

Straight Hate

This mentality has always irked me, even when I was a fundamentalist Christian. Would it really kill something so 'true' to just give a straight answer for once? You're right, of course - the concept of trinity is just too hard for humanity to understand. Forgive me if I'm making fun of you, but for now I guess we'll just have to be content with discovering the mysteries of the universe - something with an ounce of worth that will actually help our lives here on this planet.

Magus55

On the contrary. Faith and devotion to God helps billions of people out on a daily basis. I probably wouldn't be here right now if it weren't for God.

Starboy

Right on Straight! It wouldn't hurt their case much at all to just admit they don't know what they are talking about when it comes to the trinity. Consider it another indication of just how out of place Christianity is. We live in an age when we don't accept hocus pocus explanations for events we see around us, yet this is exactly what the religious are expected to do. Monday through Saturday they live in the 21st century and on Sunday they live in the first century. They then spend the rest of the week trying to justify to themselves and others how they can rationally accept first century beliefs in the 21st century. How deceptive can you get?

Starboy

Enlighten Me

Sabine---I'm sorry, but there is a serious disconnect between my question and your answer. I did not say that God "made them do it." I said that in "doing it" they were implementing God's will AND fulfilling Bible prophecy in the minds of future Christians. So why should Jesus have asked for forgiveness for them? And do you suggest that as an agnostic atheist I have no regard for individual accountability? I think you would find many non-believers who find such an attitude offensive and arrogant.

schu

Not only did JC claim to be god, but he seemed to think he was in two places an one time.

John 3.13 And no man hath ascended up to heaven, but he that came down from heaven, even the Son of man which is in heaven

While you xians are making up stories about how you can know the unknowable how about explaining why JC didn't even seem to know if he was on earth or in heaven in this passage from John.

Opera Nut

CORRECTION: Buddha is not considered a god by Buddhists. He is considered a spiritual founder of the religion, a person that became enlightened and set an example, but is NOT GOD.

:banghead:

emotional

Aha, Argument from Infidel (He-Doesn't-Have-The-Holy-Spirit). Neat. Convenient. A nice way to evade.

I REPEAT:

Jesus said."Why do you call me good? Nobody is good but God alone".

A) God alone is good
B) "Why do you call me good?" implies "I am not good"
AB) Jesus is not God

Simple logic. Just what the Bible says. Take it at face value.

Christianity is nothing more than a religion that makes an idol out of Jesus.

Rousseau_CHN

Magus,

First of all, it bothers me that it does not bother you.

Christianity itself is challenged by that statement of Christ. If God and Jesus (and the H.S.) are one and the same, then this statement is ridiculous, funny and absurd.

If God and Christ are distinct persons, then Christ was hypocritical when he told Thomas that Blessed are those who do no see and yet believe.

For crying out loud, You are seated at the right hand of the Father and you dare say that he had abandoned you. Ye of little faith.

Rousseau_CHN

This water theory being presented by our brother theists is all cute but...

Magus said: " Jesus was ever separated, even briefly from God the Father..."

Should water molecule be ever separated---even briefly---it is no longer water.

H20 it will be whether it's solid, liquid or gas...but separate H from 0 and it is hardly even a matter.

I do hope we have reached the end of this simile.