sighhswolf

I have done some reading on Satan, since you have written some questions in a previous post, thought you might find some of this interesting.
There are those who interpret the bible in a manner that suggests that the Angelic realm was created on the first day of creation.

NEHEMIAH 9:6 You alone are the LORD; You have made heaven, the heaven of heavens, with all their host, the earth and everything on it, the seas and all that is in them, and You preserve them all. The host of heaven worships You. (NKJV)
JOB 38:4 "Where were you when I laid the foundations of the earth? Tell Me, if you have understanding. 5 Who determined its measurements? Surely you know! Or who stretched the line upon it? 6 To what were its foundations fastened? Or who laid its cornerstone, 7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? (NKJV)

The "host of heaven" mentioned in Nehemiah 9:6 is a reference to the creation of spirit beings, as are the parallel terms "morning stars" and "sons of God" in Job 38:7. These Scriptures suggest that the heavens and the angelic beings were created at the same time, and that the angels were in existence when the earth was created.

So if Satan was an angel what do some theists say about his creation?
Satan is not mentioned by name in the following verses but some theists interpret these to be applicable to satan.

EZEKIEL 28:12 "Son of man, take up a lament concerning the king of Tyre and say to him: 'This is what the Sovereign LORD says: "'You were the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty. 13 You were in Eden, the garden of God; every precious stone adorned you: ruby, topaz and emerald, chrysolite, onyx and jasper, sapphire, turquoise and beryl. Your settings and mountings were made of gold; on the day you were created they were prepared. 14 You were anointed as a guardian cherub, for so I ordained you. You were on the holy mount of God; you walked among the fiery stones. 15 You were blameless in your ways from the day you were created till wickedness was found in you. 16 Through your widespread trade you were filled with violence, and you sinned. So I drove you in disgrace from the mount of God, and I expelled you, O guardian cherub, from among the fiery stones. 17 Your heart became proud on account of your beauty, and you corrupted your wisdom because of your splendor. So I threw you to the earth; I made a spectacle of you before kings. 18 By your many sins and dishonest trade you have desecrated your sanctuaries . . ." (NIV)

Satan was called the "seal of perfection", and was an inhabitant of the garden of eden.
The Garden of Eden was planted by God after He created man. Ezekiel 28:13 reveals that Satan was in Eden before he sinned. Therefore, contrary to traditional understanding, Satan was in the Garden of Eden with Adam and Eve before he fell.

Satan was also called a "guardian cherub".
This "guardian cherub" (literally, "cherub who covers") was apparently one of the two angels who covered the mercy seat with their wings (see Heb. 8:5; 9:5, 23-24; Exo. 25:20; 37:9; I Kings 6:19-28; 8:6-7; I Chr. 28:18; II Chr.3:10-13; 5:7-8). However, because of pride, this cherub's wisdom was corrupted, as I Timothy 3:6 implies.

I TIMOTHY 3:6 Not a novice, lest being puffed up with pride he fall into the same condemnation as the devil. (NKJV)
So Satan appears to be a "proud" angel.

There were a series of films made starting with the film "Prophecy", where the angels were involved in a war that had apparently raged since the beginning of time.
In these films the angels refered to humans as "monkeys" and in several lines of dialoge reference is made to the fact that the angels who were pissed off, were angry because god had chosen to make man the ruler of earth, the caretaker, Adam was intended to be gods representative on earth.
This would have placed the angelic hosts just slightly above mankind in the esteem of god.

GENESIS 1:26 Then God said, "Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth." 27 So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them. 28 Then God blessed them, and God said to them, "Be fruitful and multiply; fill the earth and subdue it; have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over every living thing that moves on the earth." (NKJV)

According to Michael S. Heiser an ancient hebrew language expert the image of god is interpreted
as:

viewing the image in a FUNCTIONAL sense (i.e., we are created to "image" God) as opposed to a QUALITATIVE sense (as though the image is some quality or ability given to us; i.e., the image is some possessed attribute).
. . . When Scripture speaks of mankind being created in the image of God, what is meant is that mankind has been created to represent God on earth.
That is an important concept because in my studies
I have never run across a definition of "image"
of god stated this way.
Most people think that in gods image refers to a visual compatability.
. . . God deliberately created mankind to rule the earth, and to accomplish this purpose, he created man as his own image - He made man his co-regent / representative ruler.

The image of God then, refers to our unique status as human beings, rulers in God's stead, according to His own will. We are created AS his image - to function as he would were he administering His own affairs directly. Our abilities - unequally given to us in the providence of God are not THE image, but only a means to carrying out His expressed and often secret end. (pp. 8, 9, 10, 11, "The Image of God in Scripture", Michael S. Heiser.)

This understanding of "the image of God" is supported by the immediate text, which shows that mankind's duties included having dominion over the earth and every living creature on it. This interpretation is also supported by a related passage of Scripture in Psalm 8:

PSALM 8:4 What is man that You are mindful of him, and the son of man that You visit him? 5 For You have made him a little lower than the angels, and You have crowned him with glory and honor. 6 You have made him to have dominion over the works of Your hands; You have put all things under his feet, 7 All sheep and oxen -- even the beasts of the field, 8 The birds of the air, and the fish of the sea that pass through the paths of the seas. (NKJV)
In addition to showing the position of mankind on the earth, this psalm also alludes to the reason for Satan's ultimate fall. Verse 5 tells us that humanity was made "a little lower than the angels."

******However, it was men, not angels, who were given rulership over the earth.*******

As Ezekiel 28:12 tells us, Satan was "the model of perfection, full of wisdom and perfect in beauty" when he was created. Yet neither he nor any of the other angels were given dominion over the earth initially. Rather, Adam, a being Satan must have considered inferior to himself, was given this power.

And the green eyed monster rears it's ugly head.

Ezekiel 28:16 tells us that Satan was filled with violence and sinned through his "widespread trade." The Hebrew word rendered "trade" in Ezekiel 28:16 is rekullatekha; it is a form of the noun rekulla, which means "merchandise"or"traffic." However, rekulla is derived from the root word rakal, which means "to go about." A closely-related derivative, rakil, means "slanderer." In the New Testament, this fallen angel is often called the "devil," or diabolos in Greek. Not coincidentally, the literal meaning of diabolos and its variations is also "slanderer."

Ok so Satan is pissed and he decides to throw a little hitch in the lifestyles of rich and naked.
Satan now thinks god made a serious error putting the monkees in charge and felt slighted.
I mean after all he was "perfect" and beautiful,
and the "light bearer".

So he comes up with the plan to crimp the works.
And we all know what happened next, blah..blah..blah., yada yada yada.
Satan's plan to screw the humans, actually ended up showing just how stupid he really was.
And he ended up screwing himself as well as Adam and Eve.
This resulted in God placing an age-lasting animosity between mankind and Satan. From that point forward, "the Shining one" became "the Adversary" (Heb. haSatan) of humanity.
Satan's actions did achieve their desired aim; God cast man out of the Garden of Eden for his sin (Gen. 3:24). In his fallen state, man was condemned to suffer death because of Adam's sin.
But now the plot thickens....

... god decides to place Satan in mans place as temporary ruler of the earth.

Now something I was not personally aware of, is that Satan was not bounced out of heaven, he was still in heaven and still had access to the throne of god.
(according to these sources, anyway)

Contrary to popular opinion, the Bible clearly shows that Satan has not been restricted to hell after his fall. The Old Testament shows that, before the first coming of Yeshua the Messiah, Satan continued to have access to the very throne of God.

JOB 1:6 Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan also came among them. (NKJV)
JOB 2:1 Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD. (NKJV)
Satan used his access to the heavenly throne to slander and accuse God's people before YHVH and the divine council, as the story in Job shows.
Zechariah also saw Satan in action as the accuser in a vision:

ZECHARIAH 3:1 Then he showed me Joshua the high priest standing before the angel of the LORD, and Satan standing at his right side to accuse him. 2 The LORD said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?" (NIV)
When Christ triumphantly returned to heaven after his crucifixion and resurrection (Rev. 12:5), Satan and his angels were cast out and no longer had access to the throne:

REVELATION 12:7 Now war arose in heaven, Michael and his angels fighting against the dragon; and the dragon and his angels fought, 8 but they were defeated and there was no longer any place for them in heaven. 9 And the great dragon was thrown down, that ancient serpent, who is called the Devil and Satan, the deceiver of the whole world -- he was thrown down to the earth, and his angels were thrown down with him. (RSV)
Some have incorrectly believed that this passage refers to Satan's initial fall. Yet the time sequence established in Revelation 12 clearly indicates that this ejection from heaven is after the Messiah returned from the earth and before his second coming at the end of this age.

Yeshua, just before his crucifixion, stated that his triumph on the cross would bannish Satan from access to the heavenly throne forever.

I love this mythology.
This is of course quite a bit of cut and paste, but I found it so entertaining, I couldn't stop myself.
So Satan was a lovely brightly shining guardian
angel.
Who by the way had access directly to god...whoa,
thats pretty high up the ladder dont ya think?
But because god decided to set Adam up as boss on earth, Satan gets all pissed off.
He thinks "dude.....I'm so great and I'm beautiful, and god loves me...Man I should be in charge here, this aint right..dude."
So he hatches his plan and gets A&E dumped out of the garden along with other things.
Now this is where I fail miserably, because I was always under the impression that the dude went straight to hell.
But NNNNNNOOOOOOO, he gets off and still keeps his little place beside god.
And he doesnt get bounced until Jebus gets back to heaven after doing the cross thing.
Anyway...I thought this was pretty cool mythology.
You can find all this info at Biblical Topics.com
Along with various other topics including the listing of Demons and Fallen Angels listings.
Yep they say there are more fallen angels than just Satan.

Disclaimer: Dont believe a word you read...but have fun with it.
I like it about as much as I enjoy the stories of Loki and the Spawn comics.....
Wolf




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Marduk

Check out the Dead Sea Scrolls "Book of the Giants" or the Book of Enoch. These cast out angels run around Earth screwing everything in sight, women, cows, sheep, even fish!?

Jove

Thanks, mate.