Hawkingfan

If God does not lie, then there should be no contradictions in the "word of god".

But there are specific scriptures which prove that god is a liar and/or condones lying spirits and deception, sometimes arbitrarily and sometimes in order to condemn people to hell. The following are quoted from the New International Version (Copyright 1973, 1978, 1984 by International Bible Society) and is available online at www.biblegateway.com :

Exodus 32
14 Then the LORD relented and did not bring on his people the disaster he had threatened.

Numbers 14
30 Not one of you will enter the land I swore with uplifted hand to make your home, except Caleb son of Jephunneh and Joshua son of Nun.

1 Kings 22
21 Finally, a spirit came forward, stood before the LORD and said, 'I will entice him.'
22 " 'By what means?' the LORD asked.
" 'I will go out and be a lying spirit in the mouths of all his prophets,' he said.
" 'You will succeed in enticing him,' said the LORD . 'Go and do it.'
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

2 Thessalonians 2
11For this reason God sends them a powerful delusion so that they will believe the lie 12and so that all will be condemned who have not believed the truth but have delighted in wickedness.

Ezekiel 14
9 " 'And if the prophet is enticed to utter a prophecy, I the LORD have enticed that prophet, and I will stretch out my hand against him and destroy him from among my people Israel.

1 Kings 22
23 "So now the LORD has put a lying spirit in the mouths of all these prophets of yours. The LORD has decreed disaster for you."

Jeremiah 20
7 O LORD , you deceived me, and I was deceived;
you overpowered me and prevailed.
I am ridiculed all day long;
everyone mocks me.

25At that time Jesus said, "I praise you, Father, Lord of heaven and earth, because you have hidden these things from the wise and learned, and revealed them to little children.

Mark 4
11He told them, "The secret of the kingdom of God has been given to you. But to those on the outside everything is said in parables 12so that,
" 'they may be ever seeing but never perceiving,
and ever hearing but never understanding;
otherwise they might turn and be forgiven!'[1] "

John 5
31"If I testify about myself, my testimony is not valid.
John 8
14Jesus answered, "Even if I testify on my own behalf, my testimony is valid, for I know where I came from and where I am going. But you have no idea where I come from or where I am going.

John 13
36Simon Peter asked him, "Lord, where are you going?"
Jesus replied, "Where I am going, you cannot follow now, but you will follow later."
John 14
5Thomas said to him, "Lord, we don't know where you are going, so how can we know the way?"
John 16
5"Now I am going to him who sent me, yet none of you asks me, 'Where are you going?'

JN 7:2-10 Jesus tells his brothers that he is not going to Jerusalem for the Feast of the Tabernacles, then later goes secretly by himself. (Note: The words "not yet" were added to some versions at JN 7:8 in order to alleviate this problem. The context at JN 7:10 makes the deception clear, however.)

Psycho Economist

If God does not lie, there should be no contradictions in the bible. Fair enough.

The character of YHWH does admit to lying in Ezekiel:
So are you saying there should be contradictions? Or that God lies? I don't see where you're going.

Hawkingfan

I'm saying there should not be contradictions. But there are. I'm saying that god is a liar.

xsquid

No,He doesn't lie. However, he has been known to send forth "lying spirits" to do His dirty work. Plausible deniability and all that...

Volker.Doormann

I don't know, what your personal imagination is of what you called god. There is no word of god; it is spoken from the greek logos, and this is more related to logic and truth then to a term.
As you wrote correct, the text is not from god, but from the New International Version of the International Bible Society. If there is a lier, then it is not some god, but people who claim this lie as truth.

Bible myths from the pentateuch are all parables and allegories, not useful to take them literally. There are a lot of people who agree with the statements of Donald Duck regarding life, but i think it is of no use, to call him a liar, because it is well known, that a goose can't speak.

Volker

Spaz

He's a duck!

God lies and says it's the truth, who's to challenge god?

Volker.Doormann

Correct. Thank you.

Volker

Hawkingfan

Please read the excerpts from the OP. They prove god is a liar. Pay special attention to the Book of John quotes.

Hawkingfan

You must not speak to Christians that much. If you did, you would know that they call the bible the "word of god" and that all scripture is "god-breathed". They also believe that Jesus is "the word" (referring to Gospel of John chapter 1).
Yes, since there is no god, then he cannot be a liar. It is the men who wrote the bible who are liars. Let me just say that the OP was meant for bible-believing Christians, not you. Since Christians believe that god does not lie, I wanted to show in the bible where it is documented that he does. In order for me to do this, I (in a way) have to pre-suppose his existance.
You and I know that the pentateuch is full of myths and allegories. But Christians do not. That is why this post is for THEM.

Hawkingfan

I guess we've found yet another contradiction then. See this:

Numbers 23
19 God is not a man, that he should lie,
nor a son of man, that he should change his mind.
Does he speak and then not act?
Does he promise and not fulfill?
20 I have received a command to bless;
he has blessed, and I cannot change it.

Or how about this:

Titus 1
2a faith and knowledge resting on the hope of eternal life, which God, who does not lie, promised before the beginning of time,