Vandrare

sorry, also total..., im interested to know why sex is morally wrong unless conceiving (this may have been covered in another thread so if you could direct me there i'd really appreciate it).

dangin

And the beautiful thing is all you have to do is get some moms on the jury and you'll be a free man. I can't believe we agree on something.

christ-on-a-stick

So much for the punishment fitting the crime. Justice system? Nah. Long-term, even lifelong prison sentence good enough for ya? No. Gimme blood, dammit.

Lest you lash out with some sh*t about how I am obviously minimizing child molestation, I don't think that I can even *verbalize* to you (as it were) exactly how disgusted, nauseated and frankly, depressed the thought of adults molesting children (male or female) makes me. I can certainly understand the *desire* to take a clawhammer to the head of such a perpetrator, especially if I were to "catch" one in such a situation with ANY child but particularly my own. Hell, a couple years back a stranger at the bark park hit my DOG and I wanted to punch his teeth out (I didn't) so don't bother entertaining yourself with any ideas of how heartless and molester-sympathizing I am.

But if you really mean what you said, I'm sorry but I see you as being one of the kinds of people that makes the world a *more* dangerous place, not less.

This is a touchy subject for me and I'm sorry if it offends anyone that I don't think violence is the solution to (sexual) violence.

Totalitarianist

And yet sexual violence has nothing to do with discussion.

christ-on-a-stick

Treb, I consider molestation of a minor to be a form of sexual violence but I don't really care to discuss it with you.

Odemus

If I caught someone in the act of molesting my daughter I honestly don't feel I would be able to contain the rage. My girl is the most precious thing in the world to me, and if you try to harm her in any way you will feel the full force of my wrath. If you think that makes me the danger to society than you've need a reassessment of reality.


I never said or implied that it was.

christ-on-a-stick

Odemus, I don't think the rage you would feel is wrong. I would think it entirely natural and understandable.

What I am trying to say is that I think the fact that you seem to think it would be *right* to "not contain" it. That's what I see as the kind of thinking that is dangerous to society. Please correct me if that is not what you meant (that your killing the molester would be justified) and that you would willingly accept your life sentence for murder.

Captain Pedantic

Can't help but agree here. I'm sure this makes me especially cruel in the eyes of some here, but considering TV's other postings, I'm going with "Troll" all the way. After all, it does seem that when we haven't been taking notice of him for a while, he comes back with a new "sexual sickness" which he simply must post a thread about. I'm sorry, but I'm not convinced.

I mean, if he is so "logical" as he claims to be (not just intelligent), then he'd know to go and seek psychiatric help, which would surely be the "logical" step, rather than posting a whiny thread about how everyone hates him and wants him dead, and then posting a poll on whether we all think kiddy-fucking is right or wrong (and telling us that it's perfectly fine in the process).

I eagerly await his next thread on how he's suddenly realised he's also into necrophillia and/or bestiality. I'm sure that'll be "true" as well.

dangin

Hey, wait, what's wrong with bestiality. The dog consented, I swear it did.

COAS: Violence is rarely the answer, I have to agree with you. But some people need to be extinguished. I don't believe in the death penalty on the grounds that the state's execution of any innocent person is wrong, and statistically some innocent people get executed.

But if you saw, with your own eyes, the crime against your own child. I'd never vote to convict the parent for killing the deviant son of a bitch who was fucking their kid.

You get between a mama grizzly and her cub and you are going to die. You may not have even meant harm, it may have been an accident, but you can't argue with nature (in the form of huge, sharp, enraged claws) in that situation.

Seeing your child sexually abused with your own eyes surely gives one a better case than the mother bear has.

Of course this is just another off shoot of my belief in all things that we are animals and sometimes our animal reactions are the proper ones.

The funny thing is, isn't odemus a christian? He's advocating animal reaction over turning the other cheek. If I'm wrong Odemus, I apologize for insulting you with the "C" label.

christ-on-a-stick

Hi dangin! I'm in agreement with you dangin - I guess I am just extra wary of the proponence of vigilante-type justice, and particularly death for offenses other than murder. I probably would, although I certainly wouldn't vote to convict them for knocking the perp into next week before hauling his sorry ass down to the police station. Child molesters don't have it so easy in prison, y'know... punishment fitting the crime and all, that's probably where they are going to getting a taste of their own medicine... Again I agree (re: our being animals) but tend to think that it is our ability to NOT always "go with" our animal reactions that is crucial to sustaining a civilized society.

Hmmmm... I don't think Odemus is a Christian, although my only interaction with him was on the porn thread and he didn't give any real indication there other than being anti-porn & prostitution, FWIW.