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Old 02-06-2003, 12:36 PM   #11
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You are approaching these issues from the wrong direction: social and individual development is mainly a problem for scientists not philosophers.

Critical theory is basically just a philosophy based on psuedoscience(marxism and freudianism) for people who are basically just upset that capitalism did not fall and wish to rationalize why Marx was wrong.

If you really want to learn about social/psychological development read Jared Diamond, Frank Sulloway and Steven Pinker. Men who employ geography,biology and cognitive science for answers to historical and psychological problem: not marxism or freudiniam: which are dismissed by scientific circles. This entire post makes your credibility look bad(at least to anyone who is a skeptic or scientifically literate.)
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Old 02-06-2003, 12:38 PM   #12
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Likewise you should perhaps tell us about how Derrida "proved" how the Einstenein constant was not really a constant at all(nevermind Derrida wasn't even a physicist).
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What say you now of methodological incommensurability, in light of my clarification of terms?
I would say only that it is a kind of Difference , see item 13 in this link. On the other hand, in the final analysis, all differences are incommensurable,

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Not wishing to drag this thread off-topic, in the light of this comment i wonder if you'd comment on that Critchley quote above? It so happens that i agree with you, but that's another thread...
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Nicley put, Critcho! Of course some of them would be actual contingencies, rather than contingent contingencies. But then, given perception's ephemerality, there are no things that are absolutely actual, which makes them absolutely contingent.....

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Fair point, jp. Let's hope the following clears things up somewhat.

Thanks. Yes, it does. Sorry for the late reply.

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It's important to realize that neither methodology advocates that the individual or the state/society is somehow intrinsically more valid than the other, although many people do make this claim.

True. And Hayek does seem to be such an individual. Though I confess that up to this time, I have been reading him more as an (Austrian) economist than a social theorist. This forum is certainly stretching me to think in directions that I wouldn't ordinarily think on my own.

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If you've read any Derrida you'll immediately recognize the critique of prescence that's been performed here, which would suggest to me that the methodologies are not incommensurable.

Derrida is difficult reading for me at present. I'm still struggling through Foucault!
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This forum is certainly stretching me to think in directions that I wouldn't ordinarily think on my own.
It's nice to see someone making the effort.

Thanks for the link. I assure you Derrida will be worth the trouble, as is Foucault.
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You are approaching these issues from the wrong direction: social and individual development is mainly a problem for scientists not philosophers.
Nonsense. It's for both.
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Untrue and irrelevant.
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If you really want to learn about social/psychological development read Jared Diamond, Frank Sulloway and Steven Pinker. ......This entire post makes your credibility look bad(at least to anyone who is a skeptic or scientifically literate.)
More nonsense, and a completely fallacious personal attack.

As a person myself with just a bit more than just scientific literacy, and as a hard skeptic, I assure you that both philosophy and science are necessary to understanding the human condition ---- and moreover Hugo Holbling's post was an excellent exercise in philosophy.
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particularly in political philosophy but also social and critical theory - are these incommensurable, as Berlin suggests? If not, can the agency and structure approach bear fruit?
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I personally believe them to be somewhat incommensurable to a degree.
It is however a penchant of mine to happily use two such different approaches simultaneously, and then to compare explanations, predictions and results.
More later.
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It is however a penchant of mine to happily use two such different approaches simultaneously, and then to compare explanations, predictions and results.
Of course, that's another possibility.

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I look forward to it. :notworthy
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