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strubenuff · 11-17-2002, 06:10 AM

Please read the whole thing before you respond. <a href="http://www.keldysh.ru/departments/dpt_17/kurakin.html" target="_blank">http://www.keldysh.ru/departments/dpt_17/kurakin.html</a> IThere are two links on the bottom of the page that deal with hidden variables, quantum mechanics, Bell's Theorem, etc., supposedly without contradicting any previously valid information. I don't know enough to analyse them myself...

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strubenuff · 11-18-2002, 05:27 PM

anyone?

Demosthenes · 11-18-2002, 05:36 PM

Although I'm far from proficent in the intimate details of quantum mechanics.

Basically the Bell theorem presents a set of inequalities which requires to be satisfied if we want to have hidden variables theories. Since experiments have shown that the inequalities are violated it then rules out the hidden variables. Although you may be wondering why the theorem is still called a theorem since the inequalities are violated. It's only part of the whole story, the theorm states that if the inequalities are violated, then we must have nonlocal influences and hence the nonlocal quantum theories that we have today. If otherwise, then we have hidden variables and pure local influences, but experiments have shown that we don't live in a such universe.

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strubenuff · 11-20-2002, 12:47 PM

It was my understanding that paper put such limits on itself to allow hidden variables with the results of Bell's experiment.

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strubenuff Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 96	Can you critique this? Please read the whole thing before you respond. <a href="http://www.keldysh.ru/departments/dpt_17/kurakin.html" target="_blank">http://www.keldysh.ru/departments/dpt_17/kurakin.html</a> IThere are two links on the bottom of the page that deal with hidden variables, quantum mechanics, Bell's Theorem, etc., supposedly without contradicting any previously valid information. I don't know enough to analyse them myself... [ November 17, 2002: Message edited by: strubenuff ]</p>

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11-18-2002, 05:27 PM	#2
strubenuff Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 96	anyone?

11-18-2002, 05:36 PM	#3
Demosthenes Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: a speck of dirt Posts: 2,510	Although I'm far from proficent in the intimate details of quantum mechanics. Basically the Bell theorem presents a set of inequalities which requires to be satisfied if we want to have hidden variables theories. Since experiments have shown that the inequalities are violated it then rules out the hidden variables. Although you may be wondering why the theorem is still called a theorem since the inequalities are violated. It's only part of the whole story, the theorm states that if the inequalities are violated, then we must have nonlocal influences and hence the nonlocal quantum theories that we have today. If otherwise, then we have hidden variables and pure local influences, but experiments have shown that we don't live in a such universe. [ November 18, 2002: Message edited by: Demosthenes ]</p>

11-20-2002, 12:47 PM	#4
strubenuff Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: NY Posts: 96	It was my understanding that paper put such limits on itself to allow hidden variables with the results of Bell's experiment.

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