Freethought & Rationalism Archive

Pop_Quiz · 09-18-2002, 07:44 AM

I'm curious with the similarity of chimps to humans...just as decaf is 99% caffeine-free and regular coffee is 90+% caffeine-free, just what does 98% similar mean? I've heard we're closer to pigs than horses but I don't recall the % figures...anyone know? I like to use that argument when talking over cheap beer about creation v. evolution and if the figures are over 90%, it kind of diminishes the argument we parted ways from the chimps several million years ago (and we're still that similar).

Doubting Didymus · 09-18-2002, 03:24 PM

There is a lot of controversy over just what it 'means' to be 98% chimp. It is hard to infer things from broad measurements like that, but the data is certainly not in dispute.

What do you mean that it 'diminishes' the argument that we branched from chimps millions of years ago? do you mean you think it must have happened sooner?

monkenstick · 09-19-2002, 10:30 PM

vanderzyden

i've answered your questions about the accuracy of the sequences,
when are you going to offer an explanation for the evidence?

lpetrich · 09-20-2002, 12:15 AM

Quote:

Vanderzyden:
It is not only a matter of quantity, but quality. Papers that make gross simplifications, contain large amounts of propaganda, and fail to be self-critical are less likely to be persuasive. This is especially relevant for controversial subjects.

An excellent description of much of the Bible.

Will VZ ever apply to the Bible the sort of hypercritical, hyperskeptical superscrutiny that he applies to demonstrations of evolution?

NFLP · 09-20-2002, 12:46 AM

I have waded through dozens of hours of your exghanges with Vanderzyden and it seems there is only one question remaining.

At what point will you stop being his dancing monkey?

Coragyps · 09-23-2002, 06:55 AM

Hey, one of you biology folks: when a pseudogene gets read to a premature stop codon like the one at the top of this thread has, what happens? Does a little polypeptide get made and then discarded, or does the translation never get that far? If the former, what cleans up the little snippets of polypeptide?

pz · 09-23-2002, 10:24 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by Coragyps:
<strong>Hey, one of you biology folks: when a pseudogene gets read to a premature stop codon like the one at the top of this thread has, what happens? Does a little polypeptide get made and then discarded, or does the translation never get that far? If the former, what cleans up the little snippets of polypeptide?</strong>

It depends. If the pseudogene lacks a promoter, it never even gets transcribed. If it has big errors in it, like those stop codons, it may get partially transcribed, but then the RNA lacks recognition sequences that are need for post-transcriptional processing (adding GTP caps, poly-A tails, and splicing out introns), and just lurks for a while as a RNA fragment that is eventually degraded.

Cleaning up usually isn't a problem. RNA and protein are being constantly broken down and recycled in the cell.

monkenstick · 10-11-2002, 06:04 PM

hello vanderzyden, it appears you have returned and are making a cafuffle on the suboptimal design thread. Will you finally offer an explanation for this perfect example of the flaws in intelligent design?

*thinks wishfully*

monkenstick · 10-11-2002, 08:59 PM

hello?.....

Thread Tools	Search this Thread
Show Printable Version	Search this Thread: Advanced Search

09-18-2002, 07:44 AM	#41
Pop_Quiz Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Mile High City, USA Posts: 30	I'm curious with the similarity of chimps to humans...just as decaf is 99% caffeine-free and regular coffee is 90+% caffeine-free, just what does 98% similar mean? I've heard we're closer to pigs than horses but I don't recall the % figures...anyone know? I like to use that argument when talking over cheap beer about creation v. evolution and if the figures are over 90%, it kind of diminishes the argument we parted ways from the chimps several million years ago (and we're still that similar).

09-18-2002, 03:24 PM	#42
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	There is a lot of controversy over just what it 'means' to be 98% chimp. It is hard to infer things from broad measurements like that, but the data is certainly not in dispute. What do you mean that it 'diminishes' the argument that we branched from chimps millions of years ago? do you mean you think it must have happened sooner?

09-19-2002, 10:30 PM	#43
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	vanderzyden i've answered your questions about the accuracy of the sequences, when are you going to offer an explanation for the evidence?

09-20-2002, 12:46 AM	#45
NFLP Regular Member Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: Southeast Posts: 150	I have waded through dozens of hours of your exghanges with Vanderzyden and it seems there is only one question remaining. At what point will you stop being his dancing monkey?

09-23-2002, 06:55 AM	#46
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	Hey, one of you biology folks: when a pseudogene gets read to a premature stop codon like the one at the top of this thread has, what happens? Does a little polypeptide get made and then discarded, or does the translation never get that far? If the former, what cleans up the little snippets of polypeptide?

10-11-2002, 06:04 PM	#48
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	hello vanderzyden, it appears you have returned and are making a cafuffle on the suboptimal design thread. Will you finally offer an explanation for this perfect example of the flaws in intelligent design? thinks wishfully

10-11-2002, 08:59 PM	#49
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	hello?.....

Freethought & Rationalism Archive

The archives are read only.