Denshuu

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Has anyone else listened to this?

<a href="http://216.127.79.127:8000/content/TruthTalkLive.pls" target="_blank">http://216.127.79.127:8000/content/TruthTalkLive.pls</a>

I was having a good day until I got an hour into this show. I've read my share of debates, seen how peoples' words are twisted around, seen strawmen laid up and smacked down in Theist vs. Atheist debates, and of course a hell of a lot of appeals to ignorance on the theistic side of things (Theists asks a question, atheists gives a clear answer, theist claims to misunderstand and so sets up a strawman...) but this discussion simply takes the cake. Maybe it's because I've grown some fondness for Reg (the Infidel Guy) and feel some need to back him up in his discussions with these people, but I'm actually growing more and more irritated with each caller that makes some redundant, long-since refuted claim.

There was a genius that called in about 50 minutes into the discussion who claimed that all things had to have a cause, and so the universe must have had a creator. Reggie stated that if all things had a cause, then God, the creator, must've had a cause, thus causing an infinite regression. The caller (obviously stumped, but with a little bit of help from the host) claimed that the regression of gods wouldn't be infinite because all those gods must've had a cause. A cause that had a cause that had a cause that would stop an infinite regression! I'm gonna be rich when I find a way to smack people over the internet.

And the host seriously needs some kind of treatment. "Truth exists, therefor all truth is knowable." What sort of assbackwards logic is this?

"If you admit that something is knowable, then you're not really an agnostic." <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" /> He doesn't get it, and his callers don't get it either.

"You just said that theists are justified in their faith. That must mean atheists aren't justified in their faith." An hour and a half into the debate and the host still doesn't know what atheism is. And even then, he's using backwards logic. Reg asked why he was seeing as a one-or-the-other, black-and-white affair between atheistic and theistic justification, and only received a non-answer from the host. "You can't have your cake and eat it too."

Ugh... anyway, please post your thoughts and listen to this interview. It's pretty anger-incuding for me, but interesting nonetheless.

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[ August 07, 2002: Message edited by: Denshuu ]</p>

Denshuu

Note Reggie's last statement at the end of the program, too.

Alex: God loves you.
Reg: Yet, I'm going to Hell.

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