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Old 02-06-2003, 05:25 AM   #51
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So what is it you live, move and have your being in?




It's Electric

Now that we have considered the Biblical description
of God being not human but light, I think it is time to
take another small step and consider all of those
strange things religion has given us over the years.

we talk of Devils, and Demons, and Spirits, and Angels,
and Gods etc. Let us consider what they are, how
they effect us and what we can do about them.

There is only one invisible external force in the universe that can
change consciousness and in turn effect human life. That force
is electricity.

You can call it light, elecrro magnetism, or whatever. Its basis
is electricity. Every thought, every movement is electrical. Every
bit of information you receive or send gets translated into electrical pulses.

Thus what is the Devil, what are Demons, what is God what are
Angels. Electrical impulses. They cannot be anything else because your brain only reacts to invisible forces that are electricity. If the current coursing through your brain is proper and the resistance is correct, it is good. It is God ,it is Angels.

If the current coursing through your brain is improper. It is too
strong, the resistance is improper. Then there is burn out, there
is rage. there is illness, there is violence. It is evil. It is the Devil
it is Demons.

But if the Devil is actually improper current causing burn out and
overheating (if you will), how do we overcome this.?

What does the Bible say.
James4:7 Submit yourselves therefore to God. Resist the devil,
and he will flee from you.

And if this is an overwhelming electrical current. How do we resist ?

Electrical Resistance is OHM

Is it a coincidence that in meditation the sound was raised and it
was OM. Of course not. For as the current travels through the
spine it encounters the chakras or resistors or nerves in the spine and the electrical energy arrives properly at the brain,not as demons but as Angels. Not as the devil but as God.

Thus the external electrical energy can be God or the Devil. It
depends on whether we resist. We resist by meditating. For there is where the inner is quieted and the fire is cooled and the
current flows properly .

What happens to an appliance at home if the resistors fail. There is burn out. That is what has happened to all of us and thus we
live in a place of violence and rage. But now we know and now
we can go into the circuit and change the current.

Oh by the way. At the resurrection, Jesus said. They can find me
in Galilee. The word Galilee means circuit.


Now you know its true.


Its an electric universe, and every cell in your body which is a sodium potassium pump is an electrical generator.
you can read this in university of cal davis web site.

Type in goole search engine. the electric universe, and can read many science pages on it.


Lets get rid of religious superstiyion and get with the science of things.

Its all ELectric

samaEL, gabriEL, and every other EL in the bible, ELohim, angEL, you get it now.
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Old 02-06-2003, 05:28 AM   #52
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RELIGIOUS TEACHINGS CONTRADICT THE BIBLE

It really is amazing. When we consider what religion has taught us as being truth, we find a totally different version in the Bible.

For instance.

Religious teaching. Jesus is coming again to be seen
THE BIBLE: Luke 17:20 The Kingdom comes not with observation. The Kingdom of God is within you.

Religious teaching: You must ask Jesus to come into your heard.

THE BIBLE: Jesus says in John 16:23, At that time you shall ask me nothing.

Religious teaching: Jesus will intercede to the father for you
THE BIBLE: Jesus says in john 16:26 "I say not that I will pray the father for you "

Religious teaching: Jesus can do all things

THE BIBLE: Jesus says in John 5:30 "Of my own self I can do nothing "

Religious teaching: You must have faith in God, you must be baptized, and,
you will eventually face eternal judgment.

THE BIBLE: Hebrews 6:1 it says Therefore leaving the principles of the doctrine of Christ, let us go on unto perfection; not laying again the foundation of repentance from dead works, and of faith toward God, of
laying on of hands,and of resurrection of the dead, and of eternal judgment

Religious teaching: We are all worthless sinners

THE BIBLE: You are the light of the world

Obviously what THEY say and what the BIBLE says are two different things.Which leads one to wonder what their purpose is in changing the word? They seem to have an agenda all their own and it is called control.


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” So what is it you live, move and have your being in?”
What in the fuzz are you talking about? I think there may be something wrong with your wording.

Do you mean “So, what is it you live for?” – “What do you have my faith in?” I live because I am alive, and I don’t have religious faith in anything. I have reasoned faith, faith supported by reason, but I do not have any form of religious faith. I am an atheist.

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” Now that we have considered the Biblical description
of God being not human but light, I think it is time to
take another small step and consider all of those
strange things religion has given us over the years.”
What do you have to say? I don’t want to read something from a non-member of this forum.

(this includes quotes from websites and from your, or anyone else's, bible)
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NightWatchman

What in the fuzz are you talking about? I think there may be something wrong with your wording.

Do you mean “So, what is it you live for?” – “What do you have my faith in?” I live because I am alive, and I don’t have religious faith in anything. I have reasoned faith, faith supported by reason, but I do not have any form of religious faith. I am an atheist.


What do you have to say? I don’t want to read something from a non-member of this forum.

(this includes quotes from websites and from your, or anyone else's, bible)
Ive given you the subject, God is photons, they are angles of light which are messenger particles. if you read science you will find that all waves visible and invisible radio waves, gama rays etc are all photons, and you live, move and have your being in them, what is it you dont understand


I too by religious standards am somewhat of an athiest, no christian ca eccept his god being photons.

ut all the evidence is there, get a book by john gribbons.

Its all science, and the so called god of religion is non existant, because they dont know how to read the bible.


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Your statement is a personal opinion that can not be proven or disproved. It is nothing more than an unfounded, religious faith based, notion.
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NightWatchman,

Your statement is a personal opinion that can not be proven or disproved. It is nothing more than an unfounded, religious faith based, notion.

I despise religion, all my friends are athiests.

I study science, and one day discovered the bible was a science book hiding behind an ancient pagan myth.


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NightWatchman, a couple of corrections.

One. An 'angle' is a geometric figure. I'm quite certain you mean 'angel' which is a term for a supernatural and non-existent entity.

Two. In point of fact, there are four forces, which are all perceivable to us by their effects. In fact, electromagnetism is the *most* visible, since visible light itself is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Your beliefs seem rather unique, but your expression of them is, as SF points out, fuzzy. You need to try to be less poetic and more rational; poetry is all very fine, but this is not a poetry forum, OK?
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NightWatchman, a couple of corrections.

One. An 'angle' is a geometric figure. I'm quite certain you mean 'angel' which is a term for a supernatural and non-existent entity.

Two. In point of fact, there are four forces, which are all perceivable to us by their effects. In fact, electromagnetism is the *most* visible, since visible light itself is a part of the electromagnetic spectrum.

Your beliefs seem rather unique, but your expression of them is, as SF points out, fuzzy. You need to try to be less poetic and more rational; poetry is all very fine, but this is not a poetry forum, OK?

Another one thats never heard that light which is photons come to the earth at an ANGLE, and are called ANGLES of light.
Not geometry angles,

are you out of the house yet?

sorry to have to correct you.

Im not poetic, your mind is.



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NightWatchman,
Okay - I'm adding you to my ignore list. You annoy me!
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You say, “there is no functionally positive claim in disbelief.” This is ostensibly true, but really false. My formal disbelief in the positive functional claim that 2 + 2 = 5, necessarily metastasizes into a belief in the functionally positive claim that 5 is not the sum of 2 + 2.
Perhaps it would help to think of this another way. Functionally positive claims are ones that propose a correspondence between themselves and the presumed true state of reality.

Consider this example: "I believe that 2+2=5."

This proposition represents a claim that reality is a particular way: that the sum of 2 + 2 is equal to 5.

Now, contrast that with the following: "I don't believe that 2+2=5."

Note that this is not a statement about how reality is or is not, but rather about belief. There is no claim being made about what the sum of 2+2 actually is, but rather a statement about what a belief is in reference to what that sum is not. One could be so poor at math as to render the actual solution inconceivable yet still have sufficient reason to believe that the actual solution is most likely not 5.

Consider another example: Bill has never seen an elephant, which he understands is a rather exotic looking creature, but is very familiar with other types of animals. On a discussion board he meets Albert, who regales him with stories of his trip to Africa in which he supposedly saw an elephant. Bill is intrigued, and asks Albert to describe the elephant to him in detail. Albert does so, but his description sounds rather commonplace and exceedingly similar to that of other animals with which Bill is familiar, including elements of a rhinoceros, a musk ox, or maybe even a hippo. Bill mentions this to Albert, and questions him in detail about his experience. Albert insists that he saw an elephant, but Bill is unconvinced. Of course, he does not know that Albert didn't see an elephant, but he believes it to be so, so he makes a statement to Albert, "I don't believe that you saw an elephant."

Does Bill's statement represent a claim about reality? If so, what is the claim being made?

It's a rhetorical question; Bill is making no statement about reality. He does not positively state that Albert did not see an elephant as he has insufficient evidence to draw that conclusion (never having seen one himself). He does not make a positive statement like "I believe Albert saw a hippo", because he does not have enough evidence from Albert's description to rule out the possibility of other animals (even an elephant).

His statement represents a middle ground; he can neither affirm nor deny Albert's account outright. Such would represent a positive functional claim and he has insufficient evidence to defend that claim. However, he can withhold belief in Albert's claim, which is what the statement "I don't believe...." indicates.

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You cannot pretend that formal disbelief stops at formal disbelief. As Nature abhors a vacuum, the human mind cannot hold long onto what it does not believe. It immediately casts its formal disbelief into a functionally positive formulation.
Interesting. This would seem to deny the possibility of agnosticism, yet most people take it for granted that it is possible to be truly undecided about a particular point of knowledge.

Suppose I said, "Do I have a $1000 dollar bill in my pocket?" what would your answer be? Does it require a positive formulation? Is it likely that most people walk around with $1000 dollar bills? Is it rather unlikely yet not impossible that I might have one? Doesn't it seem reasonable to disbelieve that I do, in fact, have a $1000 bill in my pocket yet still allow that I might?

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I believe that your disbelief in God is a functionally positive belief. It constitutes your world-view, not merely your unwillingness to accept theism’s unproven claims. If that is your case, then the burden of proof falls just as heavily upon your shoulders as on mine. – Sincerely, Albert the Traditional Catholic
If SF is making such a positive claim, then he certainly would bear a burden of proof. However, I believe that he has explained that he, like many others, makes no such claim; they merely evaluate the claim that god exists as being less than convincing.

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