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CX · 12-23-2002, 08:15 AM

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Originally posted by Anti-Creedance Front:
<strong>Is it just me, or is it fishy that so many Christian ministries, and one of their TV Networks (Daystar) are named things like Morningstar and Daystar?

Also, wouldn't Christians argue that Satan was always evil, and was always there, as they equate the snake in the Garden of Eden with Satan? How would he then suddenly be tossed out of heaven and become as powerful as YHVH, even though YHVH is supposed to be omnipresent and omnipotent? These garbled passages strengthen my belief that Zoroastrianism comes into play. These are the places where the borrowed elements are roughly blended.</strong>

I have to agree. The earliest parts of the Hebrew bible cast satan not as a specific character, but rather as a role played by different of god's agents (cf. Balaam & the angel in Numbers 22). Satan as a specific figure seems to emerge after the Babylonian exile. One cannot help but suppose that the ancient Hebrews were influenced by the sharp dualism of early Zoroastrianism and specifically by the figure ot the Ahriman as an opponent of their one true good Ahura-Mazda, but Satan as central facet of Judeo-Xian mythology isn't realyl fully developed until the Gospels (though he is mentioned briefly in Chronicles and figures prominently in Job).

Celsus · 12-23-2002, 08:22 AM

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Originally posted by semyaza:
<strong> (BTW - Job is thought to be a product of Northern Canaan, not Hebrew).
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Out of curiosity, do you have any references on this? I always thought Job was Edomite in origin.

Joel

gwh00 · 12-23-2002, 10:15 AM

A less esoteric interpretation of Isaiah�s observation of Lucifer is that he observed Venus passing through phases and considered the reduction in light (cut down to the ground or the light reaching the ground was reduced) to portend negative events for the people of earth.

At any rate, interpretation of Lucifer to be an aspect of Satan is incorrect.

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gwh00 Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: USA Posts: 24	A less esoteric interpretation of Isaiah�s observation of Lucifer is that he observed Venus passing through phases and considered the reduction in light (cut down to the ground or the light reaching the ground was reduced) to portend negative events for the people of earth. At any rate, interpretation of Lucifer to be an aspect of Satan is incorrect.

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