ajm51987

Ok, Im not sure about this, when is Satan uhh.... made I guess, where does this occur in the bible, when God kicks him outta heaven what book, passage?

Thanks,

AJM

Belle

I touched on this subject with one of my kiddos just a littel while ago and didn't have much info to offer him. What's Satan's Bio?

Proctors_Gambit

The story goes that Lucifer had been gifted with beauty and had walked upon the holy mountain of God. But even with all this, he was not content with his position and by trying to usurp God's authority, sin entered into him when he attempted to overthrow God's kingdom.

Ezekiel 28:12-19, "...Thus saith the Lord God; Thou sealest up the sum, full of wisdom, and perfect in beauty. Thou hast been in Eden the garden of God; every precious stone was thy covering, the sardius, topaz, and the diamond, the beryl, the onyx, and the jasper, the sapphire, the emerald, and the carbuncle, and gold: the workmanship of thy tabrets and of thy pipes was prepared in thee in the day that thou wast created. Thou art the anointed cherub that covereth; and I have set thee so: thou wast upon the holy mountain of God; thou hast walked up and down in the midst of the stones of fire. Thou wast perfect in thy ways from the day that thou wast created, till iniquity was found in thee. By the multitude of thy merchandise they have filled the midst of thee with violence, and thou hast sinned: therefore I will cast thee as profane out of the mountain of God: and I will destroy thee, O covering cherub, from the midst of the stones of fire. Thine heart was lifted up because of thy beauty, thou hast corrupted thy wisdom by reason of thy brightness: I will cast thee to the ground, I will lay thee before kings, that they may behold thee. Thou hast defiled thy sanctuaries by the multitude of thine iniquities, by the iniquity of thy traffick; therefore will I bring forth a fire from the midst of thee, it shall devour thee, and I will bring thee to ashes upon the earth in the sight of all them that behold thee. All they that know thee among the people shall be astonished at thee: thou shalt be a terror, and never shalt thou be any more."

-Gambit

Artemus

I seem to recall reading something a while back that concept of the fallen angel originally derived from the planet Venus. Due to Venus being closer to the sun than the Earth, it can never climb as high in the sky as Jupiter and Saturn (which are farther from the sun than Earth). The story was that a pagan mythology developed around that fact (the lesser god could not achieve the glory of the greater gods) which was eventually absorbed into the JudeoChristian legends. Does any of this sound familiar? (Does "Lucifer" mean "planet Venus" in any language? I may have made that one up completely.)

DrLao

I believe "Lucifer" literally means "light-bearer" in Latin. The Hebrew word that was translated to "Lucifer" is "Heylel" which means shining one or morning star. Venus is the morning star, and is one of the brightest objects in the sky, apart from the sun and moon. Literally, both Lucifer and Heylel refer to a bright thing, but there seems to be some common figurative use of the word to refer to Venus when it appears as the morning star. And there are some people who think it refers to the King of Babylon. There isn't a lot to work with, though, Lucifer only appears once in the Bible (Isaiah 14:12).

semyaza

The passages usually quoted are Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. In reality, however, neither refer to Satan for the simple fact that he does not exist in the Old Testament. Satan was invented in the Roman era and absorbed into Christian mythology.

The being referenced in Isaiah 14 is generally thought to be the fallen god 'Helel ben Shahar' of Ugaritic mythology. According to some legends, he tried to take Baal's throne after his murder and before his resurrection. The throne was too big for him, the legend goes, and he subsequently fell to earth.

MortalWombat

Satan appears in 1 Chronicles, Job, and Zechariah. The name means "accuser" in Hebrew, which seems to fit his role in the Old Testament as the accuser of mankind, rather than a devil or demon.

Belle

Hummmm so if this reference were about satan and satan was supposed to have been kicked to the curb before the creation of man how is value placed upon stones and how is "sin" defined if value and sin were created by man? Also how can he be cast before Kings if there weren't any? and how can "all they that know the" be atonished if there wasn't a "they" yet? Do I have it wrong or is that another "bible issue" thing?

Tristan Scott

Probably the earliest mention would be the one in the story of Job where Satan appears to be an agent of God's. God sends him to cause all sorts of troubles for Job, kills his family, etc. just to prove the depth of his (Job's) devotion to God.

semyaza

Also, I Chronicles, Job and Zechariah are late books, written well after the Exile. It is thought that the concept of Satan derives from Persian mythology, which would explain the near-complete absence of any references prior to the Exile.