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Mr. Sammi · 07-02-2002, 06:10 AM

Most of you may have heard the song by U2 "where the streets have no name". It never dawned on me it was a real possibility until I visited Manatoulin Island in Ontario, Canada (A native Indian community) to find all streets without name. People live "over there", or you have to be taken "there" to visit.

A nice preamble to the idea of location. This thread is about the difficult task of "locating objects" in what we normally call space.

Skip a few thousand years of history, and we have a system based on reference points, which we find quite easy and simple to use. Even down to the "iidb.org" locator string.

HOW DO PHILOSOPHERS LOCATE?

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Mr. Sammi · 07-02-2002, 08:51 AM

Does it seem true that I can only locate myself? I am where I am.

Where is that?

Sammi Na Boodie ()

tronvillain · 07-02-2002, 10:25 AM

How do philosphers locate? The same way as everybody else I assume - reference points and systems, directions, etc.

Mr. Sammi · 07-02-2002, 10:47 AM

tronvillain,

What is a reference point?

What is a direction?

Are these some sort of collective agreements?

Sammi Na Boodie ()

WJ · 07-02-2002, 10:55 AM

Hi sammi!

Where is that? I am where I am thru my involuntary use of self awareness, consciousness. But where is the essence of my consciousness located, and can I go there to see it? I wish to go see my conscious, but cannot. Can you tell me where to see it?

Maybe we should stick to maps, the sun, and other physical...

Walrus

Laurentius · 07-02-2002, 01:36 PM

AVE

HOW DO PHILOSOPHERS LOCATE?

Firstly, they identify.
They discriminate
and state that identical A and non-A differ through spaciality.

Secondly, they analyze.
They classify
and position elements on a scale.

Finally, they unify.
They find out principles
and determine the center and the periphery.

Basically, they relate.

AVE

[ July 02, 2002: Message edited by: Laurentius ]</p>

Mr. Sammi · 07-03-2002, 05:02 AM

If it is true I am the center of the world then by what means do I have to locate objects which are not directly connected to me.

WJ mentioned self-awareness but I do not think locating needs self-awareness, only surrounding awareness, which is brought as WJ noted involuntarily to us.

If I tentatively believe in my awareness through my senses then the following ideas come to mind.

I have 4 firm senses of locality and 1 uncertain sense of locality. I can locate objects because of their field-of-simultaneity. Light for sight, sound for hearing. Touch for immediate I nearness and taste for I simultaneity. Smell cannot always point to the source and identify the object.

We (ahem) know (through sorcery) the 4 fields-of-simultaneity have various ranges. Touch and taste have simultaneity proximities that tend to the limit of of our own localities.

Seeing and hearing extend our fields of awareness through the inclusion of a larger (grander) simultaneous proximity range.

It seems then we can only locate if the objects are in simultaneous proximity fields within the ranges of our own.

We can note things like our hands are constantly simultaneous with each other and the rest of our body. Our body is a simultaneous object.

It seems to me then as a conclusion the first premise for locating is being simultaneous with what is being located.

Our own locality seems to be based on a regular repetition of accumulated signals that begs for attention.

Is this a direction or nonsense?

Sammi Na Boodie ()

Mr. Sammi · 07-03-2002, 05:21 AM

WJ, you asked a hard question. How do I locate the essense of my consciousness.

I must remark that consciousness has a topology because it is not singular, it has roots in plurality and exist in simultaneous combination.
Is this a resonable assumption? Yes it is, since by experimentation we realise that elements of consciousness act in parallel. Parallel means more than 1, like seeing and hearing.

OK Walrus, so you are asking a few questions, how can we see the topology, and what is the essence of the topology.

Firstly in order to see the topology, which I assume you mean, locating and examining, the topology must be of the order of topologies that collect information about itself. The topology must have information concerning the basis of the topology, its parts, and more so its functioning.

Secondly, in order to see the topology, one must not-be-blind to the topology. Not being blind to the topology seems a better starting point in order "to see" the topology. Not being blind to the topology implies another sort of sight and not the light-eye combination.

I will briefly conclude this post by saying we can illuminate the topology by not-being-blind to its parts. The topology is constantly flooded with information. The topology seems to have the ability to use independent-processes to support the validity of the information that floods the consciousness.

I would suggest that you ask your brain to start collecting information about itself in order to fulfill the independent process of seeing your consciousness.

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Mr. Sammi Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 367	LOCALITY Most of you may have heard the song by U2 "where the streets have no name". It never dawned on me it was a real possibility until I visited Manatoulin Island in Ontario, Canada (A native Indian community) to find all streets without name. People live "over there", or you have to be taken "there" to visit. A nice preamble to the idea of location. This thread is about the difficult task of "locating objects" in what we normally call space. Skip a few thousand years of history, and we have a system based on reference points, which we find quite easy and simple to use. Even down to the "iidb.org" locator string. HOW DO PHILOSOPHERS LOCATE? Sammi Na Boodie ()

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07-02-2002, 08:51 AM	#2
Mr. Sammi Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 367	Does it seem true that I can only locate myself? I am where I am. Where is that? Sammi Na Boodie ()

07-02-2002, 10:25 AM	#3
tronvillain Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: Alberta, Canada Posts: 5,658	How do philosphers locate? The same way as everybody else I assume - reference points and systems, directions, etc.

07-02-2002, 10:47 AM	#4
Mr. Sammi Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 367	tronvillain, What is a reference point? What is a direction? Are these some sort of collective agreements? Sammi Na Boodie ()

07-02-2002, 10:55 AM	#5
WJ Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Posts: 812	Hi sammi! Where is that? I am where I am thru my involuntary use of self awareness, consciousness. But where is the essence of my consciousness located, and can I go there to see it? I wish to go see my conscious, but cannot. Can you tell me where to see it? Maybe we should stick to maps, the sun, and other physical... Walrus

07-02-2002, 01:36 PM	#6
Laurentius Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Lucky Bucky, Oz Posts: 5,645	AVE HOW DO PHILOSOPHERS LOCATE? Firstly, they identify. They discriminate and state that identical A and non-A differ through spaciality. Secondly, they analyze. They classify and position elements on a scale. Finally, they unify. They find out principles and determine the center and the periphery. Basically, they relate. AVE [ July 02, 2002: Message edited by: Laurentius ]</p>

07-03-2002, 05:02 AM	#7
Mr. Sammi Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 367	If it is true I am the center of the world then by what means do I have to locate objects which are not directly connected to me. WJ mentioned self-awareness but I do not think locating needs self-awareness, only surrounding awareness, which is brought as WJ noted involuntarily to us. If I tentatively believe in my awareness through my senses then the following ideas come to mind. I have 4 firm senses of locality and 1 uncertain sense of locality. I can locate objects because of their field-of-simultaneity. Light for sight, sound for hearing. Touch for immediate I nearness and taste for I simultaneity. Smell cannot always point to the source and identify the object. We (ahem) know (through sorcery) the 4 fields-of-simultaneity have various ranges. Touch and taste have simultaneity proximities that tend to the limit of of our own localities. Seeing and hearing extend our fields of awareness through the inclusion of a larger (grander) simultaneous proximity range. It seems then we can only locate if the objects are in simultaneous proximity fields within the ranges of our own. We can note things like our hands are constantly simultaneous with each other and the rest of our body. Our body is a simultaneous object. It seems to me then as a conclusion the first premise for locating is being simultaneous with what is being located. Our own locality seems to be based on a regular repetition of accumulated signals that begs for attention. Is this a direction or nonsense? Sammi Na Boodie ()

07-03-2002, 05:21 AM	#8
Mr. Sammi Banned Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Montr�al Posts: 367	WJ, you asked a hard question. How do I locate the essense of my consciousness. I must remark that consciousness has a topology because it is not singular, it has roots in plurality and exist in simultaneous combination. Is this a resonable assumption? Yes it is, since by experimentation we realise that elements of consciousness act in parallel. Parallel means more than 1, like seeing and hearing. OK Walrus, so you are asking a few questions, how can we see the topology, and what is the essence of the topology. Firstly in order to see the topology, which I assume you mean, locating and examining, the topology must be of the order of topologies that collect information about itself. The topology must have information concerning the basis of the topology, its parts, and more so its functioning. Secondly, in order to see the topology, one must not-be-blind to the topology. Not being blind to the topology seems a better starting point in order "to see" the topology. Not being blind to the topology implies another sort of sight and not the light-eye combination. I will briefly conclude this post by saying we can illuminate the topology by not-being-blind to its parts. The topology is constantly flooded with information. The topology seems to have the ability to use independent-processes to support the validity of the information that floods the consciousness. I would suggest that you ask your brain to start collecting information about itself in order to fulfill the independent process of seeing your consciousness. Sammi Na Boodie ()

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