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I have 2 questions,
1) Did the laws regarding light refraction exsists before the flood?(Gen 9:12-16) and..
2)Ex 9:3-6 (ALL cattle destroyed.inc horses)
Ex 9:9-11 (People and destroyed cattle afflicted with boils)
Ex 12:12,29-30 (Firstborn cattle [again?!] and humans killed)
Ex 14:9 (Moses pursued by Egyptions on horseback)
Were the cattle ever REALLY destroyed? Was the author wrong?(wonder what else he got wrong ) I am quite baffled by this, and any help would be appreciated.

Ether

You will find many "errors" like this in the whole bible. My take is that these books were written by multiple authors and they often repeat the same issue inside the same book or even on two different books. The issue is the same but just written by different persons.

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Michael Ledo

The Bible does say horses were destroyed, but only all of Egyptian cattle. It never really claims all their horses were destroyed.

Sojourner553

Yes (as Ingersoll pointed out) if all the horses had been destroyed, how did the Egyptians chase the hebrews using their chariots???

Sojourner

Amen-Moses

Camels?

Amen-Moses

Sojourner553

You mean "only" the author(s) of Genesis/Exodus? Because the list grows much longer when one includes the OT, or both the OT and NT.

Here are some on MY list for Genesis:

*the earth was created three days before the sun was created (day 1 vs day 4)

*in Genesis Chapter 1's creation story, animals were created before man. In the Chapter 2 creation, story God made animals for Adam because he was lonely.

*Eve was created from a rib of Adam's

* the Earth was destroyed by a Flood. (I have debated individuals who proudly sent me to sites displaying cultures that had a tradition of a great flood. When I point out that ancient Egypt is not on these lists -- that the Egyptians have no tradition of a flood that destroyed all life, afterwards the line grows silent on the other end.)

There are a lot of silliness after this--how could all species be represented on an ark. How did the Ark pick up penguins (ie without refrigeration) and koala bears (without euchalyptus leaves). Why didn't the plant life die out? What about dolphins, whales, and fish, etc?

Expanding to Exodus and Genesis, you can get into some more detailed technical analysis:

According to Exodus 3:13-15 and 6:2-3, the Hebrews did not know the
name of their god Yahweh, until God revealed it to Moses. But earlier
accounts in Genesis (ex 4:26,22:14,26:25,27:20,28:13) show that even
the older Jewish patriarchs knew God's name as Yahweh.


There are a lot of other discrepancies of this genre. Here is another:


(taken from Section III, Chapter 1

<a href="http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/index.html" target="_blank">http://mac-2001.com/philo/crit/index.html</a>


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EXAMPLE 1: Birthright of Jacob.

* "J" version: Jacob gives his birthright to the youngest of his four
sons, Judah. The older brothers were named Reuben, Simeon, and Levi in
that order. Jacob was angry at Reuben for sleeping with one of his
father's concubines. Simeon and Levi are described as being full of
anger and wrath. But Judah states "... you are the one your brothers
will praise... Your father's sons will bow down to you." (Genesis 49:8).

* "E" version: In the deathbed scene of Jacob, Jacob bequeaths the
double portion of his inheritance to Joseph, announcing that each of Joseph's
two sons, Ephraim and Manasseh will receive equal portions with their
uncles--Reuben, Simeon, and the others. Joseph places his two sons in position
before Jacob so that Manasseh, the older son would be blessed with Jacob's
right hand (ie the hand of preeminence). But Jacob thwarts this plan by
crossing his hands, so that the right hand falls on Ephraim's head.
Joseph protests the reversal, but Jacob insists that Ephraim will indeed
be the greater of the two.(Genesis 48:8-20)

Why was this significant for the "E" writers (which were from Israel)?
Because Ephraim was used as a second name referencing the kingdom of
Israel (in the north). Jeroboam's capital city, Shechem was located in
the hills of Ephraim. (WHO WROTE THE BIBLE p 65--Also see 1 Kings 12:25)


Sojourner

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Sojourner553

I did not think camels were good for chasing (ie for speed). Do camels pull chariots? {I am of course referring to the TEN COMMANDMENTS movie).

Sojourner

Marduk

"I am of course referring to the TEN COMMANDMENTS movie"

I love that movie, as silly as it is. Lot's of historical errors;
They seem to think that Ramses was the son of The Pharoh Seti, he wasn't, Ramses father was a general, he married into the Royal family.
They imply Moses and Ramses were brothers, but in the Bible Ramses is not mentioned by name, I guess Moses forgot the name of his own brother.
Ramses is called Ramses throughout the movie, even before he became Pharoah, Ramses was not his birth name, it is a name he took when he became Pharoah, sort of like the way Pope's do.
I won't bother going into the other stuff like there being 600,000 slaves living in Egypt or other such fictional type things.