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Jonesy · 08-15-2002, 10:14 AM

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Originally posted by Writer@Large:
Thia, have you just decided to ignore the last thread you started? Can you not answer for the logical flaw inherent in Chalko's very first proposition?

--W@L

Can you fill me in again (sorry) - what was the 'logical flaw', because I though his book wasn't logically flawed.

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ · 08-15-2002, 10:16 AM

Your post is now entirely irrelevant. And you managed to do it yourself! Thank you for saving us the trouble. Please, apply a bit of reasoning using your most recent post to your first post--it can't be too hard.

Kevin Dorner · 08-15-2002, 10:31 AM

<a href="http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html" target="_blank">http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html</a>
<a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html" target="_blank">http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html</a>

My personal experience with this pseudoscience:

At the Ontario Science Centre near where I live they have a rather large version of one of those plasma discharge spheres.

It's large enough that the back of the sphere can easily be seen. If one's hands/fingertips are placed there, their "kirlian aura" can be seen.

However, I was able to get a "kirlian aura" off of a watch, keys, coins and other non-living material, even when I wasn't touching them. According to the (undemonstrated) premise of the aura being generated by living things, this shouldn't happen.

So, you're asking us to question evolution's "chance" generation of something that probably isn't even real at all? This seems less of a valid question than that of a creationist who at least sticks to demonstrably real qualities of human beings (ie intelligence) as something that it doesn't seem obvious needs no designer.

Writer@Large · 08-15-2002, 10:36 AM

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Originally posted by Thiaoouba:
Can you fill me in again (sorry) - what was the 'logical flaw', because I though his book wasn't logically flawed.

Oh, for fuck's sake, why do I even bother ...

<img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Page two ... that's two (2), not one (1) or three (3) or four (4), of the last thread you started. That's your thread. You--Thiaoouba, member number 1983, originator of the thread <a href="http://iidb.org/ubb/ultimatebb.php?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001203&p=" target="_blank">"Plenty of evidence for a 'designed evolutionary process'"</a>. <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=001203&p=2" target="_blank">Here's a link to page two.</a> Scroll all the way down, to my only post on that page. It's the second to last post, sandwiched between one of your posts (that's Thiaoouba, Member #1983) and a post by Stephen TB (the last post on the page).

Are you really so blind, or are you purposefully avoiding any meaningful criticism on your cult manual?

--W@L

Utnapishtim · 08-15-2002, 10:36 AM

I don't see the big deal about an aura. Humans (and all organisms) give off radiation. We also probably have some sort of electromagnetic field (a very weak one) because our bodies are full of electric impulses.

08-15-2002, 10:43 AM

The kirilian aura is a byproduct of the high votlages used in the process interacting with moisture.

In other words, it's an artifact of the method, not supernatural human powers.

Walter_Mitty · 08-15-2002, 10:47 AM

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you failed the challenge - proving your inability to think for yourself. Verdict: part of the flock and incapable of forming own opinion.

<a href="http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/health_/thp.htm" target="_blank">This from a man who sells magic shirts?</a>

MrDarwin · 08-15-2002, 10:58 AM

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Originally posted by Thiaoouba:


The aura is not visible in vacuum because it is composed of electrons. There is nothing paranormal about auras. The name 'aura' is just 'a name' given to what we naturally observe around the human body. Photographing auras in a vacuum doesn't make sense, since you wouldn't see it - that's bacuase an aura is part of a living person and as such cannot be seen in a vacuum. Again, there is nothing paranormal about the aura.

(emphasis added)

Ummm... so what was the question again? If there is nothing paranormal about the aura (assuming it exists in the first place, which is somewhat in doubt) then why does it pose any more difficulty to evolutionary theory than the carbon dioxide we exhale, or the stink that we emit after going without bathing for several days?

Viti · 08-15-2002, 11:00 AM

Thiaoouba...what do you hope to accomplish on this board? You keep coming back with escalating wackiness...ya think somebody here is going to join your silly cult?

[ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: LadyShea ]

Walter_Mitty · 08-15-2002, 11:52 AM

Thiaaoouba's magic web site has vanished!

Perhaps his aura ran out?

(edited to add: whoops, it's back!)

[ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: Bibliophile ]

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Walter_Mitty Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: . Posts: 467	Thiaaoouba's magic web site has vanished! Perhaps his aura ran out? (edited to add: whoops, it's back!) [ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: Bibliophile ]</p>

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08-15-2002, 10:16 AM	#12
Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Heaven Posts: 6,980	Your post is now entirely irrelevant. And you managed to do it yourself! Thank you for saving us the trouble. Please, apply a bit of reasoning using your most recent post to your first post--it can't be too hard.

08-15-2002, 10:31 AM	#13
Kevin Dorner Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Toronto, Ontario, Canada Posts: 762	<a href="http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html" target="_blank">http://www.skepdic.com/kirlian.html</a> <a href="http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html" target="_blank">http://www.csicop.org/si/2000-05/i-files.html</a> My personal experience with this pseudoscience: At the Ontario Science Centre near where I live they have a rather large version of one of those plasma discharge spheres. It's large enough that the back of the sphere can easily be seen. If one's hands/fingertips are placed there, their "kirlian aura" can be seen. However, I was able to get a "kirlian aura" off of a watch, keys, coins and other non-living material, even when I wasn't touching them. According to the (undemonstrated) premise of the aura being generated by living things, this shouldn't happen. So, you're asking us to question evolution's "chance" generation of something that probably isn't even real at all? This seems less of a valid question than that of a creationist who at least sticks to demonstrably real qualities of human beings (ie intelligence) as something that it doesn't seem obvious needs no designer.

08-15-2002, 10:36 AM	#15
Utnapishtim Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Vancouver, BC Posts: 330	I don't see the big deal about an aura. Humans (and all organisms) give off radiation. We also probably have some sort of electromagnetic field (a very weak one) because our bodies are full of electric impulses.

08-15-2002, 10:43 AM	#16
Synaesthesia Guest Posts: n/a	The kirilian aura is a byproduct of the high votlages used in the process interacting with moisture. In other words, it's an artifact of the method, not supernatural human powers.

08-15-2002, 11:00 AM	#19
Viti Contributor Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Down South Posts: 12,879	Thiaoouba...what do you hope to accomplish on this board? You keep coming back with escalating wackiness...ya think somebody here is going to join your silly cult? [ August 15, 2002: Message edited by: LadyShea ]</p>

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