BadBadBad

I've been challenged with these "what if God or angels appears to you face to face" hypotheticals. "Would you believe in God then?"

I counter with "Go my child, and get flight training. Hijack a plane and crash it into a building. Choose a plane with lots of gas. Choose a building with lots of people. Kill the Muslim infidels! Don't worry if you don't think you have it in you. With me by your side, you'll do just fine."

Two different christians assure me God would never ask me to do something beyond the limits of their conscience.

Is this supported by the Bible?

braces_for_impact

Matthew 10:35
For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law.


Here Jesus says that entire families will be torn apart because some choose to follow him and some do not. Obviously this would be more than some could bear in good conscience.

Edited to correct dumb spelling mistake.

Toto

God asked Abraham to kill his son as a sacrifice. God told the Israelites to kill a lot of Canaanites and take their land. But maybe their consciences were not very highly developed.

BadBadBad

It's perfectly obvious to me that the Bible is full of stories where god asks way beyond any sane moral conscience. These christians firmly believe God wouldn't ask THEM anything beyond what their conscience can bear. They don't seem to have any problem defining their conscience and morality as a priority over God's.

I'm just wondering if they are going to be able to fall back on some passage that comes close to saying that. If not, I'm sure they can fall back on other baseless assertions, or continue with that one, or just continue on like it doesn't matter.

Queen of Swords

I've Nutwatched a few sites that say that

1. women should be subservient to their husbands no matter what their husbands require them to do, even if it's immoral or illegal, because God never said that women were only to obey their husbands up to a point. If a husband orders his wife to do something like having an abortion, she is to go ahead and prepare to fulfil his wishes; because of her obedience and faith, God will intervene.

2. women who divorce their husbands, even if the men were beating the hell out of them or raping their children, are never permitted to remarry. Even if they want to, even if they find a good man, they have to remember that they were "one flesh" with the former husband, and can never truly be separated ("sometimes the innocent must suffer along with the guilty", said the site). Their obedience to the will of God will serve as a shining example to others.

Magus55

1Cr 10:13 There hath no temptation taken you but such as is common to man: but God [is] faithful, who will not suffer you to be tempted above that ye are able; but will with the temptation also make a way to escape, that ye may be able to bear [it].

braces_for_impact

Thank you for that one verse magus55, and for my evidence I shall submit the entire book of JOb.

Kosh

I was thinking more along the lines of "John TV" (the public access station here in town where they show all the guys busted for solicitation)

BadBadBad

Isn't this related to temptation to sin, idolatry, and devil worship? God doesn't tempt you with sin or tempt you to worship devils. This, in context, says God gives you a way out of sin.

I'm asking where the Bible says God won't temp you to do something beyond what your human conscience and morality will bear. In my hypothetical by definition God is asking you to do something that is not sinful. Just like in the OT, God is asking for you to do God's glory based upon God's morality. Where does the Bible say 1. that God won't do that. and 2. Human morality and conscience prevails over God's and 3. God is limited to Biblical commandments? (Radorth said he'd do what God asked if there wasn't a commandment against it)

This passage addresses conscience directly:


10:27
If any of them that believe not bid you to a feast, and ye be disposed to go; whatsoever is set before you, eat, asking no question for conscience sake.

10:28
But if any man say unto you, This is offered in sacrifice unto idols, eat not for his sake that shewed it, and for conscience sake: for the earth is the Lord's, and the fulness thereof:

10:29
Conscience, I say, not thine own, but of the other: for why is my liberty judged of another man's conscience?

What is this saying about conscience?

winstonjen

Translation: god doesn't want us to have a conscience.