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03-09-2003, 04:21 PM

Greetings all,

Tektonics is having debate in April on JM vs HJ.

I'm not sure if I'll have the time to participate, perhaps other members may like to take part?

Check here

Iasion

Peter Kirby · 03-09-2003, 09:44 PM

Hmmm... well, Quentin, after Earl Doherty, you're the first guy I would pick to be in a debate. I hope that Holding's "first come, first serve" policy won't bring down the quality.

best,
Peter Kirby

Vorkosigan · 03-09-2003, 10:41 PM

How could it be avoided? The format dooms the mythicist, who must present a lot of information over time. Not to mention do extensive discussion of methodology, etc.

Vorkosigan

Celsus · 03-09-2003, 11:56 PM

Iasion,

I think you're doing a very good job over in their Religion 101 forum btw. The creationists have more or less given up (they're resorting to: "If the Resurrection is true, then everything else is.") in the Science / Archaeology Department since they've been overwhelmed by evidence--in effect, they're not likely to issue a challenge there. You can take the challenge and deal with methodological problems beforehand in the Coach's Quarters extensively before being agreeing on the format, which need not involve anything less than the in-built 12,000 character limit and a set number of rounds.

Joel

Ted Hoffman · 03-10-2003, 03:18 AM

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Originally posted by Iasion
Greetings all,

Tektonics is having debate in April on JM vs HJ.

I'm not sure if I'll have the time to participate, perhaps other members may like to take part?

Check here

Iasion

freaky deakies? Thats a nice label to paste firmly on the forehead of potential "opposers"!
I checked This thread and almost threw up.
(some of)These theologywebguys seem pretty ignorant. For example:

Quote:

William Dembski was at Seminary (www.sbts.edu) this week. He gave 3 lectures and we had a luncheon. It was very enlightening. The man is brilliant!

Quote:

I agree that the flagellum is a powerful argument, as is the ATP synthase motor, and that Kenneth Miller is a complete pillock.

later, he confesses:

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In regards to Van Til, I do not understand how he tries to mesh naturalism with Theism they are two totally contradictory philosophies. That is how I see it right now, I have not done a whole lot of reading on ID so my knowledge is limited.

After spending a substantial amount of my time at ARN and ISCID, I am aghast at the level of ignorance, and argumentation skills displayed in that link.

As far as MJ is concerned, lets see what turns up. If anyone here decides to participate, please let us know.

03-10-2003, 04:05 PM

Greetings,

Why,
thank you so much Peter for your compliment,
you made my day

Your excellent site and your skepticism have been inspirations for my work.

And thank you too Joel, I was encouraged by your sober posts there to make a detailed effort myself.

Iasion
(Quentin)

Vinnie · 03-11-2003, 07:18 PM

Iason, I don't think your call for a stand is going to do much good.

Vinnie

Tercel · 03-11-2003, 07:30 PM

Vinnie, your link's not working.

Vinnie · 03-11-2003, 07:41 PM

Thx, its fixed.

Vinnie

Steven Carr · 03-12-2003, 05:10 AM

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Originally posted by IronMonkey
freaky deakies? Thats a nice label to paste firmly on the forehead of potential "opposers"!

Actually, on Theology Web, we are assured that about Robert (No Link) Turkel 'I have also seen him switch gears when his debate opponents have as well.', with the implication that Turkel only gets insulting after his debate opponents have as well.

http://www.theologyweb.com/forum/sho...&pagenumber=2.

So if this what Turkel calls people even before they respond to him, and he then switches gears to insult mode....

03-09-2003, 04:21 PM	#1
Iasion Guest Posts: n/a	Debate on JM at Tektonics Greetings all, Tektonics is having debate in April on JM vs HJ. I'm not sure if I'll have the time to participate, perhaps other members may like to take part? Check here Iasion

03-10-2003, 04:05 PM	#6
Iasion Guest Posts: n/a	wow ! thanks [ 8^)> Greetings, Why, thank you so much Peter for your compliment, you made my day Your excellent site and your skepticism have been inspirations for my work. And thank you too Joel, I was encouraged by your sober posts there to make a detailed effort myself. Iasion (Quentin)

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03-09-2003, 09:44 PM	#2
Peter Kirby Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: the reliquary of Ockham's razor Posts: 4,035	Hmmm... well, Quentin, after Earl Doherty, you're the first guy I would pick to be in a debate. I hope that Holding's "first come, first serve" policy won't bring down the quality. best, Peter Kirby

03-09-2003, 10:41 PM	#3
Vorkosigan Contributor Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Barrayar Posts: 11,866	How could it be avoided? The format dooms the mythicist, who must present a lot of information over time. Not to mention do extensive discussion of methodology, etc. Vorkosigan

03-09-2003, 11:56 PM	#4
Celsus Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Singapore Posts: 2,875	Iasion, I think you're doing a very good job over in their Religion 101 forum btw. The creationists have more or less given up (they're resorting to: "If the Resurrection is true, then everything else is.") in the Science / Archaeology Department since they've been overwhelmed by evidence--in effect, they're not likely to issue a challenge there. You can take the challenge and deal with methodological problems beforehand in the Coach's Quarters extensively before being agreeing on the format, which need not involve anything less than the in-built 12,000 character limit and a set number of rounds. Joel

03-11-2003, 07:18 PM	#7
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	Iason, I don't think your call for a stand is going to do much good. Vinnie

03-11-2003, 07:30 PM	#8
Tercel Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: New Zealand Posts: 1,315	Vinnie, your link's not working.

03-11-2003, 07:41 PM	#9
Vinnie Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Waterbury, Ct, Usa Posts: 6,523	Thx, its fixed. Vinnie

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