Peez

Hi folks,

I have been conversing with a few creationists over at theforce.net, and one (Fat_Fett) has been particularly ignorant, arrogant, and hypocritical. I cannot resist posting a few quotes:

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If you are going to defend Hinduism, a religion which STILL encourages the killing of people of other religions....don't point your hypocritical finger at me. Hinduism, Islam, and scores of other religions still encourage the killings of other religious people (my dad should know, he has been a Pastor and a missionary for over 25 years!).

Quote:

The reason for this "echo" in space is not from the Big Bang theory. When God spoke and said "let there be light," He created by merely SPEAKING! This "echo" is the result of that sudden energy.

Quote:

Hinduism does encourage killing. Where's the proof, you ask? Well, there's a little bit of land called Kashmir that should be basic knowledge for anyone who has passed Freshmen level World History. Muslims and Hindus have killed over this land for 100's of years, and they obviously are not restrained by their religions.

Someone else responded: and Fat_Fett predictably replies: And has the gall to later claim: Anyhow, he/she finally posted something that he/she hopes looks like evidence for a young earth, so I will deal with it so that lurkers may see how intellectually bankrupt his/her position is. Most of the post is cut-and-paste (presented as his/her own work, of course), and I was wondering if someone had already done a point-by-point refutation of this crap. The site from which he/she apparently copied it is <a href="http://www.rae.org/yworld.html" target="_blank">here</a>. The "evidences" are: Any input would be appreciated.

Peez

MrDarwin

As always, the best way to refute this s*** is to simply ask the person to back it up: just pick any one at random from the list and ask the creationist to explain just what the problem is (i.e., to elaborate on the terse and rather vague one-liner) and how and why it refutes evolution, and also to provide the supposed evidence behind the claims. I'm sure the creationist doesn't care, but this at least demonstrates that they have no idea where these "refutations" come from, or what they mean (much less why they are not refutations at all).

LiveFreeOrDie

FWIW, this exact list of objections comes from <a href="http://www.swcp.com/creation/news/0110.htm" target="_blank">here</a>. There is a little more discussion on each objection that might make it easier to respond.

Oolon Colluphid

Hi Peez!

Several of these were used at me by cretinists as <a href="http://iidb.org/cgi-bin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic&f=58&t=000483" target="_blank">Replies to my Daily Telegraph letter</a> -- see that thread. As always, our wonderful team here came up with the goods! See also
<a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-meritt/age.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/faq-meritt/age.html</a>

But Mr D is as usual right. Just get 'em to explain it and back it up.

Oolon

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tgamble

Isn't that the same shit kent Hovind uses?
<a href="http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/index.shtml" target="_blank">http://www.infidels.org/library/modern/dave_matson/young-earth/index.shtml</a>

KC

"12. History is too short."


ROFL!!!!!!!!!!!!!


That made my day.


Cheers,

KC

Stephen T-B

The sad fact is, you cannot have a discussion with a Creationist because belief is unassailable by reason.
It has nothing to do with reality and everything to do with need.
This guy NEEDS to believe what he/she believes. Some people need to believe in fairies – I've met one – and in IUri Geller and in witches and aliens. This guy needs to believe in magic too, but he calls it God. It is a condition which will last him/her, probably, all his/her life and may become increasingly dominant
At the same time, Faith is always slightly precarious; the Believer's beliefs are not only under assault from infidels – easily withstood, as it happens - but they are more subtly and insidiously attacked by inner Doubt, often characterised as the work of the Devil.
This is what the Believer most fears. Your correspondent, therefore, is happy for you to provide him/her with a physical enemy because fighting you successfully off - and in this argument you can never win – is a distraction from the far more terrible inner battles which are waiting to be fought.

DB_Hunter

1. Galaxies wind themselves up too fast.

Spiral arms aren't solid physical constructs - they are density and starbirth waves in the disk. They act similar to the way a traffic jam at an accident does - the individual velocities of the cars slow down the deeper int o the wave they get, but the wave doesn't move at the same speed as the individual cars.

2. Comets disintegrate too quickly.

Constant replenishment of comets from the Oort cloud - perturbed comets fall into the inner solar system, while the vast majority orbit at 50 AU+.

3. Not enough mud on the sea floor

Seafloor subduction and recycling. Easily seen in the bluestone schists at accretion wedges near undersea trenches.

4. Not enough sodium in the sea

Recycling and locking to rock.

5. The earth's magnetic field is decaying too fast.

Magnetic fleild fluctuates in cyclical patterns, not in a decay curve.

6. Many strata are too tightly bent.

As compared to what? Examples, please...

7. Injected sandstone shortens geologic "ages."

Injected sandstones are quite easy to spot once the general geological column of an area is known. Besides - you can't directly date a sandstone by radiodating - you'd jsut be dating the sand in the sandstone, and what you want is the date of when the sandstone was depositied.

8. Fossil radioactivity shortens geologic "ages" to a few years.

Huh? More clarification is needed.

9. Helium in the wrong places.

Such as?

10. Not enough stone age skeletons.

As if all have now been found?

11. Agriculture is too recent.

So we've been hunter-gatherers for a very long time... so?

12. History is too short.

Again, compared to what? <img src="graemlins/banghead.gif" border="0" alt="[Bang Head]" />

Morons... People like that should be taken away and isolated to keep from being a mental danger to those around them... I felt my IQ drop 10 points by reading that.

DB

Coragyps

By gawd, have him come over here and say that! I can be just as objectionable as the next guy!

Shadow Wraith

DB_Hunter. About comets. There is an interesting alternative theory about comets. They need not disintegrate fast and may not need replinishing. Read: <a href="http://www.holoscience.com/news/comet_borrelly.html" target="_blank">http://www.holoscience.com/news/comet_borrelly.html</a>

Also, a man named Anthony Peratt shows how plasma interactions are actually better than mechanical explanations for creating spiral morphologies. I could look it up for you if you want.