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pudgyfarmer · 04-07-2003, 08:18 PM

If there is no first cause then how are things moving and changing today doesn't that imply that some thing caused it to happen and that that some thing, which started it all, had no cause?

Psycho Economist · 04-07-2003, 08:19 PM

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Do Atheists believe in first coz? And if so who or what is it.

I don't have a first coz... I have four: Kevin, Kent, Jennifer and Ryan. I also have a half brother.

This ain't the #xian IRC channel, d00d!

Eudaimonist · 04-07-2003, 08:22 PM

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If there is no first cause then how are things moving and changing today doesn't that imply that some thing caused it to happen and that that some thing, which started it all, had no cause?

Things are moving and changing because it is in their nature to do so. There is no need, as Aristotle thought, for one object to push another in order to explain motion. Aristotle made a decent start to physics (good for 350-300 BC), but physics has come a long way since then.

pudgyfarmer · 04-07-2003, 08:27 PM

so things just happen for no reason because cause does not exist

Eudaimonist · 04-07-2003, 08:30 PM

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so things just happen for no reason because cause does not exist

No, that's not what I said.

WinAce · 04-07-2003, 08:39 PM

Dee En Eff Tee Tee.

Jobar · 04-07-2003, 08:40 PM

The universe may just spring out of nowhere, self-caused, like a virtual particle. And if you don't know what a virtual particle is, just type it in to any search engine and come back when you have read some of the resulting links.

Or, of course, it may be the work of Brahma, the Creator, maintained by Vishnu, the Preserver, and will eventually be erased by Shiva, the Destroyer. But I doubt you'll believe that, either.

pudgyfarmer · 04-07-2003, 08:45 PM

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Originally posted by Eudaimonist
Things are moving and changing because it is in their nature to do so. There is no need, as Aristotle thought, for one object to push another in order to explain motion. Aristotle made a decent start to physics (good for 350-300 BC), but physics has come a long way since then.

So "things are moving ans changing because it is in thier nature to do so". what causes thier nature to "do so" what is it that makes thier nature want to change?

Monkeybot · 04-07-2003, 08:49 PM

What caused the first cause?

pudgyfarmer · 04-07-2003, 09:04 PM

the first cause has no cause for it is the supreme cause if it had a cause then it wouldn't be the first cause. the question is who is the first cause? or what?

04-07-2003, 08:18 PM	#11
pudgyfarmer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: kettle falls W.A. Posts: 16	but what started it all If there is no first cause then how are things moving and changing today doesn't that imply that some thing caused it to happen and that that some thing, which started it all, had no cause?

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pudgyfarmer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: kettle falls W.A. Posts: 16	that is a good ? the first cause has no cause for it is the supreme cause if it had a cause then it wouldn't be the first cause. the question is who is the first cause? or what?

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04-07-2003, 08:27 PM	#14
pudgyfarmer Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: kettle falls W.A. Posts: 16	so things just happen for no reason because cause does not exist

04-07-2003, 08:39 PM	#16
WinAce Beloved Deceased Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Carrboro, NC Posts: 1,539	Dee En Eff Tee Tee.

04-07-2003, 08:40 PM	#17
Jobar Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2001 Location: secularcafe.org Posts: 9,525	The universe may just spring out of nowhere, self-caused, like a virtual particle. And if you don't know what a virtual particle is, just type it in to any search engine and come back when you have read some of the resulting links. Or, of course, it may be the work of Brahma, the Creator, maintained by Vishnu, the Preserver, and will eventually be erased by Shiva, the Destroyer. But I doubt you'll believe that, either.

04-07-2003, 08:49 PM	#19
Monkeybot Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: North Carolina Posts: 8,102	What caused the first cause?

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