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Ice · 03-30-2003, 01:45 AM

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Belief is not merely intellectual assent ... even the demons have that. "Belief" means to trust, to live for.

Do I deserve hell for not trusting, living for him then? Or is that the default position from where we save ourselves by trusting, believing in him? If so, why are we in that default position in the first place, if God created us all?

Christian · 03-30-2003, 01:49 AM

Ice,

It's the position we all default ourselves into.

Fall and Redemption is a better plan than perfection from the get go. I don't understand all the reasons why.

Respectfully,

Christian

Ice · 03-30-2003, 02:05 AM

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Originally posted by Christian
Ice,

It's the position we all default ourselves into.

Fall and Redemption is a better plan than perfection from the get go. I don't understand all the reasons why.

Respectfully,

Christian

How did "we" default into that position?

And if Fall and Redemption is a better plan than perfection from the get go, why doesn't God tell us the reason so we know? Instead of us having to trust him that the reasons are good?

Socrates · 03-31-2003, 05:06 AM

That doesn't really answer my question though. Nowhere does the Bible say that "faith in Christ" for my salvation includes living for him, and that's not what faith and trust mean anyway.

So again I ask, what are the requirements of my going to heaven after I die? Do I simply have to "accept Christ as my saviour" or do I have to love God with all my heart, soul and mind as well? Also is there anything else I have to do/can't do?

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03-30-2003, 01:49 AM	#32
Christian Regular Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Iraq Posts: 313	Ice, It's the position we all default ourselves into. Fall and Redemption is a better plan than perfection from the get go. I don't understand all the reasons why. Respectfully, Christian

03-31-2003, 05:06 AM	#34
Socrates Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Canada Posts: 27	That doesn't really answer my question though. Nowhere does the Bible say that "faith in Christ" for my salvation includes living for him, and that's not what faith and trust mean anyway. So again I ask, what are the requirements of my going to heaven after I die? Do I simply have to "accept Christ as my saviour" or do I have to love God with all my heart, soul and mind as well? Also is there anything else I have to do/can't do?

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