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Secular Elation · 07-18-2002, 01:27 PM

<a href="http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=28288" target="_blank">Bob Just article: "Amendment: Separation of atheism and state."</a>

I find this to be a frigtening article. The author clearly feels like this whole issue is an all-out war between true, traditional-moral Americans and the secularists and atheists. Much of the rhetoric he expresses is alarming, and it is precisely because of individuals like him who, if gaining political power, would ultimately cause me to immigrate.

In his article he claims that most Christian Americans do not in fact want a theocracy (as is the fear shared by people at these boards). But he later goes on to say this:

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A government that lays claim to neutrality on religious � and thus on traditional moral � issues is a government that inevitably lacks dependable standards.

He doesn't want theocracy, but he wants a solid religious foundation in our government?

Toto · 07-18-2002, 01:44 PM

<a href="http://www.bobjust.com/separationamendment/" target="_blank">"Separation of Atheism and State" Amendment </a>

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"Separation of Atheism and State" Amendment
Purpose is to constitutionally recognize America as a nation under God.

Article XXVII � "Separation of Atheism and State" Amendment

We hold these truths to be self evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain inalienable rights.

Comment
Separation of atheism and state

In that the United States Constitution was founded on the basis of an officially declared, "self-evident," and firm belief in a Creator who endowed us with "inalienable rights," and by whose authority we established our independence, the people of the United States of America here acknowledge this country to be a nation under God.

This acknowledgement is essential to our national well being since inalienable rights given by God provide a solid foundation for the freedoms we enjoy as Americans. The atheistic view accepts no authority higher than government, and is thus alien to these principles of American liberty. For if our rights came only from government, then those rights could, in turn, be legitimately revoked or bargained away by government. To prevent such tyranny, and to protect ourselves, our families, and our rights, we commonly accept the United States of America to be a nation of faith, and reject the atheistic view.

Although no citizen shall be forced to accept this as a personal faith, all should join themselves in agreement to the necessity of a common understanding that the continuing strength of American society rests upon the social and political benefits derived from our "under God" heritage as described in the Declaration of Independence.

Edited to add: I can appreciate that someone would not want to place the state Uber Alles. But Christianity is not what saves us from statism - it didn't work for any European nation with an established Christian church. Secular humanism or anarchism would do as well. Saying that atheists put the state before everything is incorrect.

Who is Bob Just anyway? I don't think he is a major political force.

[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Toto ]

Grumpy · 07-18-2002, 01:47 PM

Is this the same Bob Just, the radio host who claims to be a former liberal? (Or maybe it was former Democrat.)

Secular Elation · 07-18-2002, 01:47 PM

Correct - look at the very bottom of the article.

Toto · 07-18-2002, 01:52 PM

He claims to be a Reagan Democrat.

Secular Elation · 07-18-2002, 01:54 PM

Who is Bob Just anyway? I don't think he is a major political force.

So? His opinions are still insulting.

Shadowy Man · 07-18-2002, 04:25 PM

Pretty scary article...

My favorites:

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If you are someone who thinks thunder happens "when the gods are angry," or if you burn incense to a rock you found on the beach...you've got as much potential credibility...as those who believe the biblical worldview that reveals God as "love," that speaks of the struggle between good and evil, and promises hope of true freedom and eternal peace for all mankind.

Exactly!

Oh and his reference to "atheist science". Well, when he's ready to give up his reliance on "atheist science" I'll be more than glad to show him the forest where he can make bow and arrow out of twigs and hunt for his food.

[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Shadowy Man ]

Krieger · 07-18-2002, 04:43 PM

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Originally posted by Toto:
He claims to be a Reagan Democrat.

Well that explains everything.

Edit: and don't forget that <a href="http://www.ffrf.org/news/lieberman.html" target="_blank">Joseph LIEberman said that atheists should not have the right to exist</a>. The Democrats are not as liberal as some people think.

[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Krieger ]

Daggah · 07-18-2002, 08:04 PM

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Originally posted by Krieger:
Well that explains everything.

Edit: and don't forget that <a href="http://www.ffrf.org/news/lieberman.html" target="_blank">Joseph LIEberman said that atheists should not have the right to exist</a>. The Democrats are not as liberal as some people think.

[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Krieger ]

Is your party called the "Green" party because the puke you spew out so often is that color?

Krieger · 07-18-2002, 09:00 PM

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Originally posted by Daggah:

Is your party called the "Green" party because the puke you spew out so often is that color?

Why the personal attack?

Edit: Do you really think that the Democrat Party is liberal? What does this have to do with the Greens?

[ July 18, 2002: Message edited by: Krieger ]

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07-18-2002, 01:47 PM	#3
Grumpy Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Alaska, USA Posts: 1,535	Is this the same Bob Just, the radio host who claims to be a former liberal? (Or maybe it was former Democrat.)

07-18-2002, 01:47 PM	#4
Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	Correct - look at the very bottom of the article.

07-18-2002, 01:52 PM	#5
Toto Contributor Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Los Angeles area Posts: 40,549	He claims to be a Reagan Democrat.

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Secular Elation Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: California Posts: 6,196	Who is Bob Just anyway? I don't think he is a major political force. So? His opinions are still insulting.

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