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HaysooChreesto! · 02-11-2003, 04:28 PM

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Originally posted by christ-on-a-stick

HOWEVER.... the deeply corrupt and ethically indefensible institution that some people like to call The Roman Catholic Church still, in the year 2003, has a virtual stranglehold on millions the world over, many of whom are living in poverty, ignorance and with no access to information that might free them from their current position of being intimidated and cowed into unfettered reproduction by a "moral authority" that threatens them with hellfire and damnation.

As a direct result of this, hundreds of thousands of children are born into abject poverty and (often brief) lives of unbelievable suffering.

A Benevolent God's "Master Plan"? I think not.

Yeah, me too. I tried to think of more to add, but it's not necessary.

ju'iblex · 02-11-2003, 04:39 PM

i couldnt vote, so many evils, too few options.

Doubting Didymus · 02-11-2003, 04:46 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by ju'iblex
i couldnt vote, so many evils, too few options.

Gaah! This time you beat me!

beyelzu · 02-11-2003, 04:49 PM

I voted for the catholic's church stand on birth control. How many people have to die of aids, how many children have to be born before whose parents cant take care of them before the catholic church finally changes its fucking mind.

Kassiana · 02-11-2003, 10:17 PM

Christian Reconstructionist political goals frighten me the most...even the most conservative "normal" Christian doesn't want to return the U.S. to the Old Testament law and kill atheists/witches. I'd rather still be alive without any rights than tortured to death by those C.R. fanatics.

Jayjay · 02-12-2003, 02:23 AM

Though the reality is that creationism and fath based inititives at the moment are not as threatening and dangerous as anti-contraceptive policies, intellectually creationism is really the most deprived of the three. At least giving money to church charities is based on good intentions and banning contraceptives has the "abstinence only" option to justify itself (I'm not saying that either of these are good reasons, just that they at least in theory exist), teaching creationism is school has no motivation except religious indoctrination for it's own sake. The complete lack of redeeming qualities makes it the most disgusting agenda to me.

Mediancat · 02-12-2003, 05:41 AM

Creationism, creationism, creationism. Easily. As Isaac Asimov says, "They can teach creationism in the schools when I can preach evolution in the churches."

The others are annoying and problematic but aren't as directly offensive to me.

Rob aka Mediancat

Gemma Therese · 02-12-2003, 09:14 AM

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Originally posted by christ-on-a-stick
If I absolutely HAD to pick one.. and I reserve the right to change my mind (woman's perogative dontcha know ) - it would be #2, the Catholic Church's opposition to birth control.

My reasoning:

Although I find the "Faith-Based Initiative" repugnant and blatantly unconstitutional, I harbor hope that either A) it will be found to be so or B) it will be done away with my a future (hopfully SOON!) administration.

Similarly, while the fact that even the *idea*of creationism being taught in schools in this day and age absolutely boggles my mind, I think that it will eventually go the way of the dinosaur. (HA!) I think the cretinists are fighting a losing battle against science.

HOWEVER.... the deeply corrupt and ethically indefensible institution that some people like to call The Roman Catholic Church still, in the year 2003, has a virtual stranglehold on millions the world over, many of whom are living in poverty, ignorance and with no access to information that might free them from their current position of being intimidated and cowed into unfettered reproduction by a "moral authority" that threatens them with hellfire and damnation.

As a direct result of this, hundreds of thousands of children are born into abject poverty and (often brief) lives of unbelievable suffering.

A Benevolent God's "Master Plan"? I think not.

Please.

Gemma Therese

Mediancat · 02-12-2003, 09:46 AM

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Originally posted by Gemma Therese
Please.

Gemma Therese

Out of curiosity, Gemma Therese, are you going to elaborate on that "please?" Or is that solitary word supposed to rebut christ-on-a-stick's opinion all by its lonesome?

Inquiring minds and all that . . .

Rob aka Mediancat

02-12-2003, 10:09 AM

In case you haven't noticed, Gemma's m.o. is to make a sarcastic remark like "Oh please" or "I pity you" and then post a picture of a dead saint or two. Then she'll tell you to read Summa Theologica for the fiftieth time.

View Poll Results: What theistic political objectives do you disagree with the most?
"Faith-Based Initative"	6	6.06%
Catholic Church's opposition to birth control	17	17.17%
Creationism in public school	68	68.69%
Other (please explain)	8	8.08%
Voters: 99. You may not vote on this poll

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02-11-2003, 04:39 PM	#12
ju'iblex Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Sydney Australia and beyond the realms of Gehenna Posts: 6,035	i couldnt vote, so many evils, too few options.

02-11-2003, 04:49 PM	#14
beyelzu Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: the peach state ga I am a metaphysical naturalist Posts: 2,869	I voted for the catholic's church stand on birth control. How many people have to die of aids, how many children have to be born before whose parents cant take care of them before the catholic church finally changes its fucking mind.

02-11-2003, 10:17 PM	#15
Kassiana Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: USA Posts: 5,046	Christian Reconstructionist political goals frighten me the most...even the most conservative "normal" Christian doesn't want to return the U.S. to the Old Testament law and kill atheists/witches. I'd rather still be alive without any rights than tortured to death by those C.R. fanatics.

02-12-2003, 02:23 AM	#16
Jayjay Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Finland Posts: 6,261	Though the reality is that creationism and fath based inititives at the moment are not as threatening and dangerous as anti-contraceptive policies, intellectually creationism is really the most deprived of the three. At least giving money to church charities is based on good intentions and banning contraceptives has the "abstinence only" option to justify itself (I'm not saying that either of these are good reasons, just that they at least in theory exist), teaching creationism is school has no motivation except religious indoctrination for it's own sake. The complete lack of redeeming qualities makes it the most disgusting agenda to me.

02-12-2003, 05:41 AM	#17
Mediancat Contributor Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Baltimore County, MD Posts: 19,644	Creationism, creationism, creationism. Easily. As Isaac Asimov says, "They can teach creationism in the schools when I can preach evolution in the churches." The others are annoying and problematic but aren't as directly offensive to me. Rob aka Mediancat

02-12-2003, 10:09 AM	#20
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	In case you haven't noticed, Gemma's m.o. is to make a sarcastic remark like "Oh please" or "I pity you" and then post a picture of a dead saint or two. Then she'll tell you to read Summa Theologica for the fiftieth time.

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