Mark G.

Infidels (I am sorry, but the word “dear” doesn’t fit here),

I wouldn’t be surprised if many of you considered me defeated and leaving your site with my “tail between my legs”. Several of you called me a fool. Others thought I was close minded or rude.

From several comments I have gathered that you have heard the arguments I have made before. I have nothing to add to the words of those who have argued the existence of the God of the Bible. It is evident from the Creation. You choose to close your eyes and to shut your ears. Your web site says that you are a community of those who peruse knowledge, far from it. You are not seeking knowledge, you are adamantly grasping to justify the lie that you believe in.

I am leaving because my Master told me in Matthew 10:14 “If anyone will not welcome you or listen to your words, shake the dust off your feet when you leave that home or town.”

Good luck with the pursuit of your version of the truth. I petty your fate and will hope that some day you will find the light.

I would like to part with the words of Jesus:

“I am the way and the truth and the life. No one comes to the Father except through me.”

Vibr8gKiwi

Hey Mr. Holier-than-thou, you called us fools first with your idiotic bible verse and you know it. Don't even try to play that game. If you want to leave, then leave, but don't try to use that lame-ass excuse. If you're rude to us, you'll find we're rude back.

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sweep

alright mark, I am here and I feel the same, sometimes. I have been a bit rude and ignorant, but I have some stuff to share, and I am willing to learn if people would explain (well)- so lets play being honest-

why are you here- do you want everyone to listen to you? Are you confused because you can't understand everyone, and get ignored when your posts are unheeded? what do you want?

I'm listening

Autonemesis

And you are...? And I should be concerned because...?

Mark G.

sweep,

I appreciate your e-mail. Once again, I do not want people to listen to me, but to the words of the book that I believe to be the Word of God. I was brought up in Russia, without the knowledge of God. I became a believer after studying the Bible. I was hoping to have an open minded discussion in this forum. Unfortunately, my arguments were ridiculed and dismissed as nonsense. If you would like to have a profitable discussion free of insults, maybe we can continue via e-mail. Many thanks for your previous post.

Vibr8gKiwi

As as been mentioned over and over, WHY should we accept the words of that book? You must establish the authority of the book before you can use it that way. You could start by trying to convince us why we should believe it's the word of god (a very tough task).

No, as you yourself said above, you didn't provide any arguments to ridicule. You simply quoted verses to us (verses that we've all heard many times) from a book that many of us are already very familiar with and do not accept as an authority. Such a lack of substance lends itself to little else but ridicule (especially when it's of the "the fool says in his heart there is no god" sort of verse!). If you had provided an actual argument, you'd probably have received a better response.

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Mark G.

Vibr8gKiwi,

I have made several posts prior to today. They contained arguments that were ridiculed and disregarded as nonsence.

Darwin's Finch

Mark G.: "I was hoping to have an open minded discussion in this forum. Unfortunately, my arguments were ridiculed and dismissed as nonsense."

Arguments? Don't flatter yourself. When people start threads in the EoG forum, they are expected to actually have arguments (you know, as in reasons), not a pocketful of Bible verses. Do you understand the difference?

I see in your profile that prior to today's projectile vomiting of irrelevant New Testament quotes, your last appearance here was Oct. 23, 2001. In other words, you showed up today, tossed around a few verses that you should have known would be ineffective with a group of infidels and now you're shaking the proverbial dust from your feet because we are not interested in intelligent, open-minded debate??? Please.

If only the original apostles had given up so easily.

K

Mark,

Most of the people here are very fair to anyone who presents a sincere and well thought out arguement. All you've done is take a lot of quotes from an ancient book that few people around here put much stock in. You haven't given any reason for us to believe that it is the word of God. Don't forget that many of us grew up believing that the Bible was a divine book. We've since rejected that notion and posting biblical quotes isn't going to convince anyone.

I certainly would enjoy an open-minded discussion about the existence of God. If this is what you really are interested in, I would suggest that you start a new topic. You could base your arguments on logic, observation (preferably scientific, but others will work also), or personal revelation (keep in mind that the subjectiveness of this one makes for tough debating. If you do, I'm sure you'll find many who will engage you in respectful, honest debate. If you are just going to quote the Bible, I think you really are better off leaving the discussions.

I hope you'll stick around. I think you'll find that the majority of people here value good open - minded discussions and a strong desire to increase their knowledge and understanding. But, I (and I think most others here) have very little tolerance for preaching.

Vibr8gKiwi

Darwin's Finch makes a good point. Mark it would seem you came here after a year's absence, called us "fools" with bible verse so you could stir up some anger to bid us farewell on.

If you want to leave, just leave--you don't have to slam the door on the way out.

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