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Ask any fundementalist how they know that God exists: It always comes down to faith. Faith is not proof. They don't get it.

Tercel

Ask any <strong>fundamatheist</strong> how they know that God doesn't exist: It always comes down to faith. Faith is not proof. They don't get it.


Gross over-generalisations can be fun - but grow up.
So many fundamentalist Christians have little idea about good reasons for belief in God. So what? Probably, just as many of them would say they believe in atoms, but be equally ignorant of why we believe in them. Not everyone who believes something has to be an expert in that field or even know much at all. Ask those who know nothing and you'll get a useless answer every time!

Tercel

bgponder

Deep:

But they will counter with tu quoque. Science readily admits that it's laws break down at energies and distances of the magnitude supposed at the instant of the BB, or the death of the universe in the "Big Collapse". So there is a certain amount of faith required of those of us who believe that those events are the case.

"How then," they will say, "can you have faith in something you know is flawed?"

But I agree with you it seems most important to focus on the knowledge that leads us to the faith we hold, and how we obtain that knowledge, which you have indicated by the implication of the requirement of proof.

Peace cornbread Barry

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Foxhole Atheist

“Ask any fundementalist how they know that God exists: It always comes down to faith. Faith is not proof. They don't get it.”

“Ask any fundamatheist how they know that God doesn't exist: It always comes down to faith. Faith is not proof. They don't get it.”

First, you have to postulate a god before it can be refuted. So, how can you ask someone why they do not believe in a god until such time as someone says that they do? I don’t get it. <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

CodeMason

Ask any fundam-asantist how they know that Santa doesn't exist: It always comes down to faith. Faith is not proof. They don't get it.

emotional

Non-existence of any sovereign-God, as described in the Bible, Qur'an etc, is disproved day after day. But he is kept alive in the minds of men because of great emotional appeal and by being programmed to evaluate everything according to scripture.

(ed: fixed typo)

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Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

It all comes down to faith, huh?

Isn't that the point?

Megatron

Don't worry, J.C.

I have faith in you...

Jesus Tap-Dancin' Christ

I meant that the point of belief in God is not to know for certain that there is a God-but to risk that there is a God, and that your God is right. Reverse Pascal's wager, sorta. If you need proof, then you will never believe in God. If you need faith, you still may not believe in God.

It comes down to faith, and assuming that there is a God, then that would be how God desires it, being no proof of any nature readily availible.

Hobbs

Well, if that's the point, I don't see the point.

I mean, that's a pretty big risk. Mohammed Atta took that risk, and we all know the results.

But I suppose that if risking that your god is right is balanced by realizing that your god may be wrong, I guess that's fine if that's what you want to do. And I suppose if you allow a very broad interpretation of "god," then I probably even agree with you. A stand on any issue is of course made with the "faith" (if you want to call it that) that you are right. But it is wise to make your stand with the awareness that you may be wrong.