Bree

So, shouldn't you be trying to get away from this unhealthy attraction, instead of creating threads asking people if they agree with what you have already said is despicable? Sounds like you're looking for people to agree just so you can feel better about yourself.

Totalitarianist

It is just as possible as an heterosexual male ceasing to be attracted by women. Besides, me feelings toward the forementioned class of people are more romantic than sexual. I experience the same feelings that you feel when you have a "crush" as when I have one. There is no difference in feeling; only in who it is directed at.

demystifier

I think part of what you are posting may really be two questions.

I think you mean to ask in part, is it always wrong, but sometimes it seems like you are saying, "is it always harmful?"

I think it is always wrong, because children don't have the capacity to decline sexual manulation or understand exactly what is occuring. The ability to reasonable capacity to consent is, I think, require for it to really be sex that isn't wrong. I don't think children have this.

Also, I personally find it a repulsive idea.

Now, as to the second question (and I know this will be unpopular) I don't think it is always harmful. I think that if someone was molded into being a human who believed that such sex was morally ok, then they could accept it later in life with little to no harm done. Also, I think that some people who are sexually abuse and realize it is wrong have enough personal resilence to overcome it without undergoing great personal harm (in fact, some friends I've know who have been abused in such ways have, perhaps parodoxically, been stronger because of it..learning to overcome such a personal stigma and sense of shame made things that others are very bothered by seem not to be much of a problem at all). In addition to that, I think that some people get an excess of harm from being abused not because of some aspect of the abuse itself, but because of the social consequences that have to experience because of a particular aspect of their social situtation. Some become so convinced that they are scarred for life by their abuse that they allow it to stigamatize them socially in many situations that have no correlation to the original abuse (does that make sense)? They believe themselves to be somehow socially bastardized so it can become true even though it otherwise would not come true.

Just for clarification, I should note that while I realize harm is not always 100% done by such acts, I personally am 100% against them since I do feel them to be wrong (but I just think that those abused shouldn't let it ruin thier lives nor should they bear a social stigma for it).

Primal

Aesthetically unapealing in the most extreme degree. Developed adults shacking with undeveloped children is something I'd rather not see happening.

ybnormal

If a boy does have sexual relations with an unattractive person, that is evidence of a certain degree of force.

Ah, okay. So the unattractive person gets punished.

Not necessarily punishment, I don't think... maybe this is more from the perspective of a sexually active boy's natural attraction to partners... historically, boys are the epitome of beauty, purity, androgyny. The farther a boy's partner from these qualities, primarily thru age differences, the higher degree of force could naturally be suspect. Certainly in most any arena, a person with the qualities of beauty and purity, knows they can command like partners. Does this not reconcile itself naturally with comments that greater age differences alone should indicate greater possibilities of force?

Hayden

Well, the chances of reproducing while go-karting are practically nil. Have you ever seen a back seat in one of those things? Not to mention the fact that the attendants always throw you out the minute you finally achieve congress.

Lighten up dude; you are allowed to have fun. Fun is not in itself immoral, and sex is fun. It's not as if you have a limited number of sperm - in fact, regular releases of sperm increase your overall production ability, IIRC. So there you go: you are morally obliged to waste as much semen as possible, so that when you reach the optimum age for child-rearing you will be, as they say, locked and loaded.

HR

repoman

Wow, Total

you are a person in flux. On one hand you drop a Nambla bomb on the board, then you in a very abstract almost robotic manner talk about procreative sex being the only moral sex when you're gay!

I know these issues must be hard for you to deal with, but it seems you are withdrwing into a systematic yet disconnected way of thinking to guard yourself, from the issue you brought up before you were ready to air it on a BBS. I think you are overreaching your emotional self and asking your rational(izing) self to take up too much slack.

Fuck, get some non masochistic, non intellectual habits, becasue you're thinking yourself stupid.

Vorkosigan

This is pure troll crap. The topic was selected to piss people off. Can this sort of thing be stopped?

Talulah

Not only does he seem serious and a bit more respectful than in the past, no one on this thread is pissed.

dangin

Yeah Tal, but I agree with Vork. No one can be stupid enough in John Ashcroft's america to admit to interest in sex with children on a public bbs. And yet our boy did it here. I'm surprised this thread hasn't been locked despite the calm demeanor of most involved.

Total, you need help man, and I'm not even talking about the child fetish. Your grasp of sexual reality is so wrong that you are heading for a really tragic life. Or you are a troll and you need to stop fucking about.

Giving you the benefit of the doubt, find someone or some institution that can help you. And if you think you don't need help, that is a sure sign that you do, or that you are a troll.