tgamble

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"To suppose that the eye, with all its inimitable contrivances for adjusting the focus to different distances, for admitting different amounts of light, and for the correction of spherical and chromatic abberation, could have been formed by natural selection, seems, I freely confess, absurd in the highest possible degree ... The belief that an organ as perfect as the eye could have formed by natural selection is more than enough to stagger anyone." --- Shute, E., Flaws in the Theory of Evolution, Craig Press, Nutley, NJ, 1961, pp.127-128

Needless to say, I responded:

Damit! Even AIG says you shouldn't use that old out of context quote! Not only are you skipping nearly the entire chapter, but you've changed the grammer in the second part, putting a period where there wasn't one.

What he actually says

Also note that the world "althrough" is omittted, which would indicate a further comment. A qualifier.

Read it for yourself.
<a href="http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html" target="_blank">http://www.literature.org/authors/darwin-charles/the-origin-of-species/chapter-06.html</a>

Damn creationists. Don't they have ANY integrity?! I guess when you try and push a lie, the only way to support is by lying.

Is this the kind of garbage they want given equal time?!

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Albion

Interesting how the sentence following the first one, which answers the question, was omitted in her little extract:

"Yet reason tells me, that if numerous gradations from a perfect and complex eye to one very imperfect and simple, each grade being useful to its possessor, can be shown to exist; if further, the eye does vary ever so slightly, and the variations be inherited, which is certainly the case; and if any variation or modification in the organ be ever useful to an animal under changing conditions of life, then the difficulty of believing that a perfect and complex eye could be formed by natural selection, though insuperable by our imagination, can hardly be considered real."

I guess she prefers imagination over reason.

In my edition of Origin, that first sentence is followed by one about the counterintuitiveness of the geocentric solar system. Guess that also didn't serve the anti-evolution purpose.

Do these people have integrity? Not as far as I'm concerned, but then they'd probably say they were serving a higher cause which mere tools of Satan couldn't possibly aprpeciate.

tgamble

Next sentence? She skips the whole fucking chapter! Except for half a sentence at the end.

Albion

Well, that too. Interesting how much those three little dots can represent, isn't it?

Maybe you could take a few of her comments and return the compliment - see how she likes it. You know,

"Well, Gods existence has been proven to me and his word disproves evolution. I am not protected by ignorance but wisdom from the Lord."

could become

"Well, Gods existence has been proven to me and his word disproves ... wisdom from the Lord."

tgamble

How about

The bible says "There is no God"?

Albion

That'd work.

Camaban

*can see this happening*

Original Quote By Dr. Whatever

Remade to:

Camaban

*also thinks of that Simpsons episode where Homer was accused of sexual harrassment by a babysitter, and what the news company made his innocence speech into by what could be easily called selective quoting*

tgamble

That was funny. Especially since you could see the clock in the background.

Actually, it was an interview they doctored.

Camaban

Close enough.