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Arvel Joffi · 03-12-2003, 09:49 AM

I realized the other day that if the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, but the Earth is only 6,000 years old, how it just displays the glorious power of God (and his foresight)! He must have put each and every single photon of light, from each and every single star in the sky in place, one after another, in a constant stream pointed at the Earth so that it was already here when Adam opened his eyes! And, somehow, that isn't duplicitous or misleading at all!

Wow! Praise!

Shadowy Man · 03-12-2003, 09:54 AM

Not to mention all those millions of other galaxies we see!!

HaysooChreesto! · 03-12-2003, 10:46 AM

One time when I was listening to K-brt here in SoCal and an Xtian astronomy student called the host of the radio show. The student was having problems reconciling the fundie determination of the age of the earth and the scientific version.

It was so pathetic. After presenting the host of the show with the obvious problems of a young Earth, the host tells the student, "I just picture it like God made everything already in place. Like a curtain rising on a play".

The student kind of stammered and just said "oh, okay" weakly and that was the end of the call. Hopefully the kids faith was ruined that day by a fellow Xtian.

Tom Sawyer · 03-12-2003, 11:02 AM

I used to sit next to a YEC at my old job and he had some wierdo idea that the speed of light has been slowing down rapidly for the past 6,000 years, which is why we can see things so many billions of light years away when they've only been there for a few thousand. Apparently, it stopped slowing down just before we developed instruments that were able to measure it.

I think that was the only time I've ever yelled at someone for being stupid in the middle of an office. I sent him a few links about how it was mathematically impossible (based on measurements of pulsars at different distances, etc) and he never brought it up again. You can find some of those articles on TalkOrigins if you're interested in them.

Asha'man · 03-12-2003, 04:38 PM

I was attempting to make the same point just the other day, Arvel. If YEC was true, virtually everything we know about Astronomy is wrong.

Every single one of these galaxies is just an illusion. They can serve no other purpose but to confuse and deceive us.

BrotherMan · 03-12-2003, 04:52 PM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
Every single one of these galaxies is just an illusion. They can serve no other purpose but to confuse and deceive us.

You mean Satan created the universe!?

wonkothesane · 03-12-2003, 06:10 PM

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Originally posted by Asha'man
I was attempting to make the same point just the other day, Arvel. If YEC was true, virtually everything we know about Astronomy is wrong.

If creationism is correct, then virtually everything that we know about *science* is wrong. *Cosmic* evolution is the foundation of all cosmology, and evolution the foundation of all biology, and evolution draws on so many disiplines and is shown by so much of science, that if it is wrong, then all of science should be thrown out. (Not to mention how creationism and it's "proofs" and the "reasoning" behind it totally violate the scientific method.)

Toss out evolution, toss out all science...and, well, this *computer* that I am typing on works, ultimately, on the same principles of QM (on a electrical level) that accounts for radio isotope dating...so most of our technology shouldn't, by all accounts, work.

And don't even get me started on _fossil_ fuels!

- bryce

Bumble Bee Tuna · 03-12-2003, 07:57 PM

Nah, it was Stan.

Arvel Joffi · 03-12-2003, 08:05 PM

I"m just imagining that Adam hung around a garden that was dark at night for four years when suddenly bling! Proxima Centauri appeared in the night sky!

Melkor · 03-13-2003, 07:36 AM

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Originally posted by ArvelJoffi
I"m just imagining that Adam hung around a garden that was dark at night for four years when suddenly bling! Proxima Centauri appeared in the night sky!

Lol. Only if he was in the southern hemisphere.....

03-12-2003, 09:49 AM	#1
Arvel Joffi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,359	Astronomy and Creationism I realized the other day that if the galaxy is 100,000 light years across, but the Earth is only 6,000 years old, how it just displays the glorious power of God (and his foresight)! He must have put each and every single photon of light, from each and every single star in the sky in place, one after another, in a constant stream pointed at the Earth so that it was already here when Adam opened his eyes! And, somehow, that isn't duplicitous or misleading at all! Wow! Praise!

03-12-2003, 04:38 PM	#5
Asha'man Veteran Member Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: southeast Posts: 2,526	Hubble Deep Field I was attempting to make the same point just the other day, Arvel. If YEC was true, virtually everything we know about Astronomy is wrong. Every single one of these galaxies is just an illusion. They can serve no other purpose but to confuse and deceive us.

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03-12-2003, 09:54 AM	#2
Shadowy Man Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: A Shadowy Planet Posts: 7,585	Not to mention all those millions of other galaxies we see!!

03-12-2003, 10:46 AM	#3
HaysooChreesto! Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: SoCal USA Posts: 7,737	One time when I was listening to K-brt here in SoCal and an Xtian astronomy student called the host of the radio show. The student was having problems reconciling the fundie determination of the age of the earth and the scientific version. It was so pathetic. After presenting the host of the show with the obvious problems of a young Earth, the host tells the student, "I just picture it like God made everything already in place. Like a curtain rising on a play". The student kind of stammered and just said "oh, okay" weakly and that was the end of the call. Hopefully the kids faith was ruined that day by a fellow Xtian.

03-12-2003, 11:02 AM	#4
Tom Sawyer Talk Freethought Staff Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Toronto, eh Posts: 42,293	I used to sit next to a YEC at my old job and he had some wierdo idea that the speed of light has been slowing down rapidly for the past 6,000 years, which is why we can see things so many billions of light years away when they've only been there for a few thousand. Apparently, it stopped slowing down just before we developed instruments that were able to measure it. I think that was the only time I've ever yelled at someone for being stupid in the middle of an office. I sent him a few links about how it was mathematically impossible (based on measurements of pulsars at different distances, etc) and he never brought it up again. You can find some of those articles on TalkOrigins if you're interested in them.

03-12-2003, 07:57 PM	#8
Bumble Bee Tuna Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Middletown, CT Posts: 7,333	Nah, it was Stan.

03-12-2003, 08:05 PM	#9
Arvel Joffi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 3,359	I"m just imagining that Adam hung around a garden that was dark at night for four years when suddenly bling! Proxima Centauri appeared in the night sky!

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