offa

Offa;
This subject belongs on this forum because it is a continuation of another thread on this forum. And, I put it here because the subject of the other thread was Pantera's tomb and we were getting off that subject.
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RyanS2
If someone asks me, "Do you believe in God?" The answer is,
"No". Now then, we already know that you can't prove things from a negative. Just because there is no convincing evidence
of "God(ess)" doesn't mean it doesn't exist. So, that makes me
agnostic, because I CAN acknowledge that because there is no
proof of God doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

Offa;
I could expand this discussion, but, then the fundies would attack me
and ask me for proof. Maybe, I'll do that later. We shall keep it in
narrow(er) bounds.

I was in the infantry in Berlin, Germany when Alexander Dubcek, the
Chancellor of Czechoslovakia declared independence from the U.S.S.R.,
it was August of 1968. The Russians soon had Berlin cut-off from the
rest of the world. One of my primary duties in Berlin was to stand
guard on Rudolph Hess (in Spandau Prison). After I was honorably
discharged in 1969 I inherited the honorary degree of "Viet Nam Era"
veteran. My services in the U.S. Army as a draftee had nothing
whatsoever to do with Viet Nam. But, I was invited by a friend to go
to the "American Legion" and the next thing I know is I have this
form in front of me begging my signature. I turned it over and read
the back. The fine print said that if I signed this it would mean
that I believed in God. I said, I can not sign this.

I read Josephus (I am not a Jew, I was born an atheist with
atheist parents, I am not circumcised, or tattooed nor do I wear any
jewelry including a watch, but, alas, I wear glasses) almost on a
daily basis. He taught me that a question that is not allowed is,
"Do you believe in God?". Think about it.

Let's say there is this Omni-potent being (with big hairy balls, of
course ... he is masculine) who has the say in everything you do. The
question, "Do you believe in God" becomes ambiguous, because, "You bet
your sweet ass I believe in God!"

Now, if you sign a paper saying, "Yes, I believe in God" that would
be offensive to the Omni-potent being, because, you need not sign the
paper unless you do not believe in God (I mean, he knows, and
the only reason for signing that paper is to please mortals). Now, I
am saving my sweet ass as a non-believer and you sign it as a
believer, are you not be-rated (taken off your lofty perch because you
signed the same paper that was signed by a heathen). If I was Omni-
potent I would consider you a candy-ass. Isn't that sweet?

My friends say, look Offa, we will pay your dues and if you are an
atheist who cares if you sign it? Most of us do not go to church
anyway. Just sign the paper.

I did not sign the paper. I am not a member of the American Legion or
any other clubs because "You find me a club where you do not have to
sign a paper saying 'I believe in God' then I will join." I am a free
citizen and I do not have to join those clubs.

thanks, Offa

[ January 03, 2002: Message edited by: offa ]</p>

Kosh

H.O.G. (Harley Owners Group). Initial dues
are about $20,000 US though... (BTW, we meet
at the American Legion hall, so you could thumb
your nose at them)

Jayhawker Soule

IMO, your antisemitism should be branded on each thread you initiate.

[ January 07, 2002: Message edited by: ReasonableDoubt ]</p>

Toto

Offa has also stated that he is a few screws short of a toolbox, or something like that.

I suggest that this thread is not in the correct forum.

offa

Offa;

Kosh; Originally posted by offa:"You find me a club
where you do not have tosign a paper saying 'I believe in
God' then I will join." H.O.G. (Harley Owners Group).
Initial dues are about $20,000 US though... (BTW, we meet
at the American Legion hall, so you could thumb your nose
at them)

Offa;
In order to get into the Legion some one has to have a
signed card. I am often a guest (maybe three time's
last year).


ReasonableDoubt
Posted by offa in the aforementioned thread:
"I am reading a book by a Jew named Robert Eisenman and I
feel that he writes like a Jew (very narrow stream of
mind, stingy) and I want to confront him."
Offa
Isn't Robert Eisenman a Jew? He is writing that Jesus did not
exist. Would not a Jew write like that? I am currently
enjoying his book and he is narrow. He makes excellent
observations but he does not expand on them in a way that
Jesus would be allowed to exist. With his wealth of knowledge
and information I believe he has more to offer (of course,
his book is over 1,000 pages).

BTW, you ever go to a flea market and try to "Jew" the venders
down. There is nothing wrong with being as "stingy as a Jew".
And, I'll bet you would have a hard time getting a rabbi to
sign a paper saying "I believe in God." That's just a gut
feeling though.



ReasonableDoubt
IMO, your antisemitism should be branded on each thread you
initiate.

Offa
You are more than welcome to think along those lines, but I
am not against the Jews, I wish them the very best. They have
no choice but to defend their homeland. There is no place in
society for terrorism.


Toto
Offa has also stated that
he is a few screws short of a toolbox, or something like that.
I suggest that this thread is not in the correct forum.

Offa
I am searching for a place in the bible or Josephus where I read
that the question, "Do you believe in God?", was improper and that
you were not allowed to answer it.

In my studies of the bible and the "Dead Sea Scrolls" I have came
to the conclusion that the Sadducees high priest (Caiaphas) was
understood to be "God" whereas the other high priest, who resided
at the other Jerusalem (Qumran) was called "father". Jesus did
not teach the prayer, "Our God who art in Heaven" but the prayer,
"Our Father who art in Heaven" allowing one the knowledge that
"Heaven" was located at Qumran.

If you asked a member of the Qumran Community, "Do you believe in
God?" his answer would be no!, however, he would then be in peril
because of the might of Caiaphas.

BTW Toto, do you now realize why my "bag of marbles" might be
a little light?

thanks, Offa

Toto

Offa - no, I don't understand, but I just accept it.

I feel that I must warn you, however, that the phrase "jew down", meaning to drive a hard bargain in price negotiation, is considered offensive. (See <a href="http://www.wordwizard.com/clubhouse/founddiscuss.asp?Num=1947" target="_blank">this dictionary definintion.</a>

You might find, if you use that term, that someone punches you out, since <a href="http://www.kinkyfriedman.com/" target="_blank">they don't make Jews like Jesus anymore.</a>

Muad'Dib

I see little connection between this thread and the purposes of this forum, so I'm moving it to where it will be more appropriate.