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tgamble · 01-01-2002, 10:53 AM

As Behe has dared to question the sacred dogam of evolution, I was just wondering if he has been fired and/or publicly flogged and executed by the evil "mind control evolutionists" who forbid the questioning of evolution.

[note humor please.]

seriously, is he still teaching at the same university? Is he telling his students misinformation about IC and the alleged lack of published papers etc?

As recently as 1999 he claimed that no papers were published on the evolution of biochemical systems (http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_a_scientist_responds.htm) which is beyond incompetance (IMO) and into outright deception.

Ernest Sparks · 01-01-2002, 11:41 AM

The evolution majority doesn't punish in medieval fantasy ways. Rather, one is given the worst office in the department, advancement to Full Professor is mysteriously delayed, excuses like academic freedom are posted in college annuals, one is passed up for committee/department chairmanships and organization officerships by professional societies. Once in a while, one gets a grant application turndown and a budget request trimmed. A few members of one's department/society may become friends just to be kinky.

Contrarians should be rejoiced over in academic pursuits, as long as there aren't too many of them. They provide valuable second opinions when their ideas are well thought out. People with a quest to change over the whole world can usually be ignored, with a hope they will fizzle out soon.

Quetzal · 01-01-2002, 12:42 PM

Our dear Professor Behe is still very much active and gainfully employed at U Penn-Lehigh. He teaches biochemistry, according to the 2001-2002 catalog. For fun, <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/behe.html" target="_blank"> here</a> are his current research interests.

Just goes to show that us "evilutionists" are pretty decent folks when it comes to banning the naysayers.

Kevin · 01-01-2002, 01:27 PM

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Originally posted by Morpho:
<strong>Our dear Professor Behe is still very much active and gainfully employed at U Penn-Lehigh. He teaches biochemistry, according to the 2001-2002 catalog. For fun, <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/behe.html" target="_blank"> here</a> are his current research interests.

Just goes to show that us "evilutionists" are pretty decent folks when it comes to banning the naysayers.</strong>

Curiously, I searched and searched his research page for any mention of "intelligent design", "irreducible complexity", "supernatural", etc. It seems that Prof. Behe doesn't think that the "science" of intelligent design can actually yield fruitful scientific investigations.

Quetzal · 01-01-2002, 01:39 PM

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Originally posted by Kevin:
<strong>Curiously, I searched and searched his research page for any mention of "intelligent design", "irreducible complexity", "supernatural", etc. It seems that Prof. Behe doesn't think that the "science" of intelligent design can actually yield fruitful scientific investigations.</strong>

Yeah, pretty odd, hunh? It probably has to do with that pesky little funding thing. You know, the one where research grants are only given for scientific research that has the potential to end up with publishable results?

I guess being a "Senior Research Fellow" at CRS must not pay that much.

hedonologist · 01-01-2002, 05:07 PM

This is a more thorough critique of Darwin's Black Box <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/behe.html" target="_blank">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/behe.html</a>

Behe says on page 5 that he has no reason to doubt evolution, but I have heard that he converts himself later in the book. That is a strange thing to say. If I don’t have a reason to believe something, I have a reason to doubt it.

dogwood · 01-01-2002, 05:41 PM

I was really disappointed when Behe didn't show up for the Secular Humanism Conference on Science and Religion in Atlanta back in November. Seeing him roasted was one of the main reasons I went. The explanation stated for his absence was "fear of flying" after the events of Sept. 11th. The speakers there gave him the benefit of a doubt. But there were a few snickers of "lack of faith."

ps418 · 01-01-2002, 05:54 PM

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Originally posted by hedonologist:

Behe says on page 5 that he has no reason to doubt evolution, but I have heard that he converts himself later in the book. That is a strange thing to say. If I don’t have a reason to believe something, I have a reason to doubt it.

Behe accepts common descent. He's stated this on several occasions. He doesn;t accept neoDarwinism as a complete explanation though.

hedonologist · 01-01-2002, 06:07 PM

This link goes right into the subject of whether there has ever been a "meeting, or a book, or a paper on details of the evolution of complex biochemical systems." Lindsay's link on this subject was down. <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html</a>

My guess is that Behe would claim that whatever was published is not detailed enough, or that it is not evidence of macroevolution. The closet thing to evidence of macroevolution that I have heard was that there are baleen whales who have teeth in the embryonic stage which are absorbed before they are born. I wasn't able to confirm this.

tgamble · 01-01-2002, 06:45 PM

check this out.

<a href="http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mblr22698.htm" target="_blank">www.arn.org/docs/behe/mblr22698.htm</a>

01-01-2002, 10:53 AM	#1
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	Mike Behe As Behe has dared to question the sacred dogam of evolution, I was just wondering if he has been fired and/or publicly flogged and executed by the evil "mind control evolutionists" who forbid the questioning of evolution. [note humor please.] seriously, is he still teaching at the same university? Is he telling his students misinformation about IC and the alleged lack of published papers etc? As recently as 1999 he claimed that no papers were published on the evolution of biochemical systems (http://home.austarnet.com.au/stear/bartelt_a_scientist_responds.htm) which is beyond incompetance (IMO) and into outright deception.

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01-01-2002, 11:41 AM	#2
Ernest Sparks Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Portland, OR USA Posts: 1,248	The evolution majority doesn't punish in medieval fantasy ways. Rather, one is given the worst office in the department, advancement to Full Professor is mysteriously delayed, excuses like academic freedom are posted in college annuals, one is passed up for committee/department chairmanships and organization officerships by professional societies. Once in a while, one gets a grant application turndown and a budget request trimmed. A few members of one's department/society may become friends just to be kinky. Contrarians should be rejoiced over in academic pursuits, as long as there aren't too many of them. They provide valuable second opinions when their ideas are well thought out. People with a quest to change over the whole world can usually be ignored, with a hope they will fizzle out soon.

01-01-2002, 12:42 PM	#3
Quetzal Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Ecuador Posts: 738	Our dear Professor Behe is still very much active and gainfully employed at U Penn-Lehigh. He teaches biochemistry, according to the 2001-2002 catalog. For fun, <a href="http://www.lehigh.edu/~inbios/behe.html" target="_blank"> here</a> are his current research interests. Just goes to show that us "evilutionists" are pretty decent folks when it comes to banning the naysayers.

01-01-2002, 05:07 PM	#6
hedonologist Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: South CA Posts: 222	This is a more thorough critique of Darwin's Black Box <a href="http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/behe.html" target="_blank">http://www.cs.colorado.edu/~lindsay/creation/behe.html</a> Behe says on page 5 that he has no reason to doubt evolution, but I have heard that he converts himself later in the book. That is a strange thing to say. If I don’t have a reason to believe something, I have a reason to doubt it.

01-01-2002, 05:41 PM	#7
dogwood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: new orleans Posts: 61	I was really disappointed when Behe didn't show up for the Secular Humanism Conference on Science and Religion in Atlanta back in November. Seeing him roasted was one of the main reasons I went. The explanation stated for his absence was "fear of flying" after the events of Sept. 11th. The speakers there gave him the benefit of a doubt. But there were a few snickers of "lack of faith."

01-01-2002, 06:07 PM	#9
hedonologist Banned Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: South CA Posts: 222	This link goes right into the subject of whether there has ever been a "meeting, or a book, or a paper on details of the evolution of complex biochemical systems." Lindsay's link on this subject was down. <a href="http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html" target="_blank">http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/behe/publish.html</a> My guess is that Behe would claim that whatever was published is not detailed enough, or that it is not evidence of macroevolution. The closet thing to evidence of macroevolution that I have heard was that there are baleen whales who have teeth in the embryonic stage which are absorbed before they are born. I wasn't able to confirm this.

01-01-2002, 06:45 PM	#10
tgamble Veteran Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: St. John's, Nfld. Canada Posts: 1,652	check this out. <a href="http://www.arn.org/docs/behe/mblr22698.htm" target="_blank">www.arn.org/docs/behe/mblr22698.htm</a>

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