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MortalWombat · 06-13-2003, 02:25 PM

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Sure it can, its called the triple point. That's what makes skater's slide on the ice.

Not quite. The triple point of water occurs at low pressure (0.00603 atmospheres) at 0.0098 degrees Celsius. A skater's skate exerts a higher pressure than atmospheric pressure, but since the slope of the melting curve of water is negative (the higher the pressure, the lower the melting point), the water under the skate briefly melts, providing lubrication.

06-13-2003, 06:25 PM

Exactly it is the closeness of the triple point temp to the freezing temperature of water that allows just a persons weight over the area of the blades to make use of this property. Brings back the memories from hours studying the MCAT'S.

Max

mark9950 · 06-13-2003, 10:16 PM

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The Hebrew word �elo�him� (gods) appears to be from a root meaning �be strong.� �Elo�him� is the plural of �eloh�ah (god). Sometimes this plural refers to a number of gods (Ge 31:30,_32; 35:2),

Ok I agree here that God is composed of many gods.

but more often it is used as a plural of majesty, dignity, or excellence.

How do you know what the author meant when he wrote what he wrote?Do you understand hebrew?

�Elo�him� is used in the Scriptures with reference to Jehovah himself, to angels, to idol gods (singular and plural), and to men.

Elohim cannot refer really to one when it is a plurality.Elowah was not used.

God is composed of many gods.Now understanding that how do we know for a fact that this plural God was not the many pagan gods that abraham worshipped.

06-14-2003, 10:09 AM

It conveys no thought of plurality of persons within a godhead. In similar fashion, at Judges 16:23 when reference is made to the false god Dagon, a form of the title �elo�him� is used; the accompanying verb is singular, showing that reference is to just the one god. At Genesis 42:30, Joseph is spoken of as the �lord� (�adho�neh�, the plural of excellence) of Egypt.

At Deuteronomy 6:4, the Hebrew text contains the Tetragrammaton twice, and so should more properly read: �Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.� (NW) The nation of Israel, to whom that was stated, did not believe in the Trinity. The Babylonians and the Egyptians worshiped triads of gods, but it was made clear to Israel that Jehovah is different.

Max

Magus55 · 06-14-2003, 01:28 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Elohim cannot refer really to one when it is a plurality.Elowah was not used.

God is composed of many gods.Now understanding that how do we know for a fact that this plural God was not the many pagan gods that abraham worshipped.

God is not composed of many gods - God is one God, with 3 distinct forms - yet all are one.

mark9950 · 06-15-2003, 06:03 PM

Yes he is. God the father is God,Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God.Right?

Than if that is right than they are a family of Gods.

The 3 gods of the trinity.Right?

Unless the trinity and elohim are false?

Magus55 · 06-15-2003, 06:52 PM

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Originally posted by mark9950
Yes he is. God the father is God,Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God.Right?

Than if that is right than they are a family of Gods.

The 3 gods of the trinity.Right?

Unless the trinity and elohim are false?

Why is this so difficult to understand? There are no multiple God's in Christianity. God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are not 3 separate Gods. They are ONE God in 3 different forms simultaneously. They work in unison - not apart. The Trinity is not a pantheon - its 3 forms, in 1 God. Judeo-Christianity is a monotheistic religion - it is not polytheistic.

mike_decock · 06-15-2003, 07:56 PM

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Originally posted by Magus55
Why is this so difficult to understand?

Because it doesn't make sense.

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God the Father, God the Son (Jesus), and the Holy Spirit are not 3 separate Gods. They are ONE God in 3 different forms simultaneously.

"They are ONE God"? "They"? Come on, Magus, They indicates more than one.

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The Trinity is not a pantheon - its 3 forms, in 1 God. Judeo-Christianity is a monotheistic religion - it is not polytheistic.

So in other words:

"Myself! Myself! Why have I forsaken myself?"

-Mike...

winstonjen · 06-15-2003, 09:11 PM

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Originally posted by mike_decock

So in other words:

"Myself! Myself! Why have I forsaken myself?"

-Mike...

Exactly.

And the answer is: "I chose to sacrifice myself to myself to appease myself. Why? Because I was too dumb to think of any other way."

mark9950 · 06-15-2003, 09:19 PM

In the beginning was the word,the word was with God the word was God.

Translation

In the beginning was myself.myself was with myself,I was myself.

I understand now,thanks you cleared it up for me.

So there is only one God and there is no father or holy spirit,not three fascinating.

06-15-2003, 06:03 PM	#26
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	Magus 55 Yes he is. God the father is God,Jesus is God and the Holy Spirit is God.Right? Than if that is right than they are a family of Gods. The 3 gods of the trinity.Right? Unless the trinity and elohim are false?

06-15-2003, 09:19 PM	#30
mark9950 Banned Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: midwest usa Posts: 1,203	John 1:1 In the beginning was the word,the word was with God the word was God. Translation In the beginning was myself.myself was with myself,I was myself. I understand now,thanks you cleared it up for me. So there is only one God and there is no father or holy spirit,not three fascinating.

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06-13-2003, 06:25 PM	#22
YHWHtruth Guest Posts: n/a	Exactly it is the closeness of the triple point temp to the freezing temperature of water that allows just a persons weight over the area of the blades to make use of this property. Brings back the memories from hours studying the MCAT'S. Max

06-14-2003, 10:09 AM	#24
YHWHtruth Guest Posts: n/a	It conveys no thought of plurality of persons within a godhead. In similar fashion, at Judges 16:23 when reference is made to the false god Dagon, a form of the title �elo�him� is used; the accompanying verb is singular, showing that reference is to just the one god. At Genesis 42:30, Joseph is spoken of as the �lord� (�adho�neh�, the plural of excellence) of Egypt. At Deuteronomy 6:4, the Hebrew text contains the Tetragrammaton twice, and so should more properly read: �Jehovah our God is one Jehovah.� (NW) The nation of Israel, to whom that was stated, did not believe in the Trinity. The Babylonians and the Egyptians worshiped triads of gods, but it was made clear to Israel that Jehovah is different. Max

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