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Jesterhole · 02-07-2003, 08:27 AM

Hey all, I'm a college student trying to gather research on the evolution of the Piping Plover, and endangered species that resides mostly on the Atlantic coast during mating season. I've already done the precursory search on google, and found this site here http://pipingplover.fws.gov/ , but I know there are a lot of very smart and in-the-know people on the board, so I'm appealing for more help. Anything anyone can point me to would be greatly appreciated. Or (even better) if you can send me some info, I'll give you my e-mail address.

I know, I'm begging, but I'm between a rock and a hard place here and I need more info. Anything will help. Rock on.

-Drew

Oolon Colluphid · 02-07-2003, 08:39 AM

That is quite a question. Just what about their evolution are you after?!

Cheers, DT

Jesterhole · 02-07-2003, 08:47 AM

Mostly on their migration habits, but the paper I'm writing also deals with some recovery efforts and repopulation. To be honest, I'm not very organized right now, and some general infomation would go a long way. Thanks.

-Drew

Oolon Colluphid · 02-07-2003, 09:08 AM

Hi Drew. Hmmm. I�ll have a look in my books at home tonight, but I suspect there won�t be much around specifically on your plovers. I too have Googled, to little avail. You might be best trying again, with � �Charadrius melodus� evolution�, which brings up (amongst other bits, none much use) various papers by people at universities who�ve studied them. Might be worth emailing a few of the more likely ones, eg the Wader Study Group, which has published papers such as

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Drake, K.R., Thompson, J.E., Drake, K.L. & Zonick, C. 2001. Movements, habitat use, and survival of nonbreeding Piping Plovers. Condor 103(2): 259-267. (Caesar Kleberg Wildl. Res. Inst., Texas A&M Univ.-Kingsville, Campus Box 218, Kingsville, TX 78363, USA). Charadrius melodus

Dodd, S.L., Spinks, M.D. & Wilkinson, P.M. 1999. Abundance and distribution of wintering Piping Plovers on the coast of South Carolina: findings from the 1997, 1998, and 1999 mid-winter censuses. Chat 63: 155-166. Charadrius melodus.

Unless, of course, there�s some Infidel ornithologists out there in the know...?

Good luck!

DT

Blinn · 02-07-2003, 10:04 AM

I doubt you're going to find much specific to the evolution of a single species. You're probably better off looking into what is known about Charadriidae in general. There's a little bit of information along with a reference here . good luck.

Nic Tamzek · 02-09-2003, 05:10 AM

Obscure question of the month award, that's for sure. The thing with creationist arguments is that they are either repeated ad nauseum, or they don't exist. I doubt that plovers have ever crossed their mind...

My recommendation would be to go to your univ. library and access a literature search engine like BIOSIS. The layout sucks but it's the best one I've found on biology-in-general type stuff.

Doubting Didymus · 02-09-2003, 03:30 PM

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Originally posted by Jesterhole
Mostly on their migration habits, but the paper I'm writing also deals with some recovery efforts and repopulation. To be honest, I'm not very organized right now, and some general infomation would go a long way. Thanks.

-Drew

Migration habits, recovery efforts and repopulation? Are you SURE your topic is evolution? Unless your topic is specifically macroevolutionary ecological patterns, then it sound like you want to research simply 'ecology of modern plovers', rather than a topic specifically tied to evolution.

02-07-2003, 08:27 AM	#1
Jesterhole Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 22	Piping Plover Hey all, I'm a college student trying to gather research on the evolution of the Piping Plover, and endangered species that resides mostly on the Atlantic coast during mating season. I've already done the precursory search on google, and found this site here http://pipingplover.fws.gov/ , but I know there are a lot of very smart and in-the-know people on the board, so I'm appealing for more help. Anything anyone can point me to would be greatly appreciated. Or (even better) if you can send me some info, I'll give you my e-mail address. I know, I'm begging, but I'm between a rock and a hard place here and I need more info. Anything will help. Rock on. -Drew

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02-07-2003, 08:39 AM	#2
Oolon Colluphid Contributor Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Alibi: ego ipse hinc extermino Posts: 12,591	That is quite a question. Just what about their evolution are you after?! Cheers, DT

02-07-2003, 08:47 AM	#3
Jesterhole Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Austin, TX Posts: 22	Mostly on their migration habits, but the paper I'm writing also deals with some recovery efforts and repopulation. To be honest, I'm not very organized right now, and some general infomation would go a long way. Thanks. -Drew

02-07-2003, 10:04 AM	#5
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	I doubt you're going to find much specific to the evolution of a single species. You're probably better off looking into what is known about Charadriidae in general. There's a little bit of information along with a reference here . good luck.

02-09-2003, 05:10 AM	#6
Nic Tamzek Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: California Posts: 646	Obscure question of the month award, that's for sure. The thing with creationist arguments is that they are either repeated ad nauseum, or they don't exist. I doubt that plovers have ever crossed their mind... My recommendation would be to go to your univ. library and access a literature search engine like BIOSIS. The layout sucks but it's the best one I've found on biology-in-general type stuff.

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