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Old 12-30-2002, 01:02 PM   #111
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I repeat. Battlefield earth
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Oh man, wasn't that the Star Wars rip-off with Richard (John Boy) Thomas?
They tossed glowing orange walnuts out into the universe to find some heroes to save their world. And had some little alien guys that gave off enough heat to use them to cook campfire food.
That was awful
Strictly speaking, it was a "Seven Samurai" rip-off.

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Love Story . Nothing else even comes close.
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Moulin Rouge - Utterly pretentious crap.

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Yes. I apparently was overtaken by a pod person & rented the thing. BAD idea. Didn't make it though the first 30 minutes.

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Hello, NialScorva.

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The more I thought about it, the more I liked the full ending. It starts off with the creepy love of the robot, then makes you start feeling for him in an unfeeling, even antipathetic, world. The end itself was a reversal of the sympathy the movie generated for the robot.
Up to this point I would agree with you- although I honestly don't know if the movie was trying to make the robot seem creepy, or if that's only a reaction that the audience may place onto the movie.

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While it seemed he was on a wholesome quest for nothing more than love, in the end he took the greedy way out, becoming just as self centered and uncaring as the society that produced him.
This is where I depart. I didn't get the impression that one was supposed to stop feeling sorry for him. After all, the "gods" of this univese (mechas and/or writers) gave him what he wanted. I thought that was an affirmation that what he wanted was fine, and even supposed to be sweet.

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It also helps that in my mind, the mother wasn't brought back at all, she was brought back only as an expression of his memory and desire for her. In otherwords, he sacrificed her forever in order to have one day where she was nothing more than an idealized charicture of what he wanted her to be, and it made him happier than anything else in his life.
I don't know about "sacrificing her forever." After all, was there really any way that he could have had her back, once she'd been dead two thousand years? (Except for the way they chose, of course).

I didn't have as much of a problem with him wanting his "mommy" all to himself. I saw it as a reflection of the way that (some, at least) children think of their parents. Their parents are there to tend to their needs. An adult protagonist might be thinking in these terms, but David, with a child's mentality, wouldn't.

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Far from it being sappy idealized Hollywood love, I saw it as a commentary on that concept of love.
I saw it as a commentary as well, but endorsing it (and arguing that we should accept David as human, even though so much of the story was about his differences from humanity).

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Actually, after thinking about it, there's another thing that puts me into black rage:

The ending cheated.

I like speculative fiction, but it has to have rules. Why make the mechas/aliens able to bring her back for only a single day, at the end of which she dies? Cheating. Deus ex machina.. I would feel the same way if I were reading a fantasy novel and had the hero, who had previously been granted only three wishes, suddenly have a fourth wish in order to get himself out of danger. Bent rules, or rules set up for no other reason than to throw something like this into the plot, infuriate me.

Making the clone able to live for only one day served that purpose and that purpose alone, in my eyes. Blatantly manipulative. The ending might make you cry, but it couldn't follow its own rules.

I hate stupid loopholes. Loopholes in general are fine, but they have to be explained, and they have to make sense.

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Haven't seen AI, but this talk about stupid loopholes reminded me of anothe recent Spielberg flop: Minority Report. There was no consistency at all how the precognition was supposed to work... sometimes, the precogs saw what would've happened if the police hadn't intervened, sometimes they saw stuff that would happen if there was intervention. Sometimes people were able to change their minds regardless of what was supposed to happen, sometimes they couldn't. Just horrible.
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Two nominations:

1) "Charllie Chan and the Curse of the Dragon Queen"

I Think Angie Dickerson kept her cloths on through the entire movie on this one.

and

2) "How to Beat the High Cost of Living"

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I'll throw a few more out there.

Iron Warrior:To this day,I have only a vague idea of the plot.It almost seems like they strung scenes together randomly.Watching this movie is a test of endurance.

Star Crash:A thinly veiled Star Wars rip off.Highlights include the hero using a "Light Sword" (hello Lucasfilm legal dept),the Evil Overlord guy's space fortress-base that looks like a giant hand.And last,but not least,David Hasslehoff as the hero.

Night of the Lepus:Giant Killer Bunnies,Deforest Kelly.Enough said.
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wow. A real eye opener.

I would say I have good taste, because I agree that a good chunk of these movies sucked.

Then again, I have the remaining third on DVD.

oh well.

And it was Steel Dawn. We have it on video. Not one redeeming quality, and that includes Patrick Swayze. Red Dawn was a different PS flick, and quite enjoyable when you are a pre-teen girl.

Jay Jay: I thought that was the point of the precogs--- that their power wasn't understood or predictable. All of your comments were right (add in the fact that the 'vison' may not account for all the facts), and that was the message.

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one more person who hated the directors cut of Blade Runner. I much prefer the old version, which was at least decent sci fi with a 'what if', not mastubatory crap. Harrison was worth the time.

Parapsychics.

Moulin Rouge.

MIB one (I woulda walked out, but that would have made hubby join me, and he liked it)

Speed Zone 55. We were the only people in the theatre. (cannonball run 3)

Mars Attacks

Tank Girl

The (new) Haunting (special effects saved it though from being a total waste, the way MR was)

oh, the amount of bad movies!
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Mars Attacks was a very bad movie, but as far as movies go, Mars Attacks was was much better than Independence Day.

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Really? I enjoyed Independence Day, despite it being dumb, dumb, unabashedly dumb. It was a ton of eye-candy, just enough story and characterization to tape the bits that weren't eye-candy together, and had a fast-moving plot with stupid bits that weren't big enough to trip it up (not that I noticed, anyway). Especially good in the theaters, where the whole roller-coaster experience really works.

Of course, then you stop for even five minutes and think about it, and the whole thing kind of falls apart. But so does The Matrix (what are the humans breathing? There aren't any damn plants left on Earth!).

Mars Attacks had no redeeming qualities whatsoever. It was just unmitigated pain from start to finish. Independence Day was at least a fun and mindless ride.

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