Sakpo

Speaking as dual citizen of both countries (Canada� and the United States) I'd quite like you to elaborate on that. Canada has been pretty damn supportive of the U.S. recently, short of endorsing a pre emptive war on Iraq qithout proper justification. It seems pretty insensitive to call Canadians anti American when they've sent their young men into one of our wars recently and had us drop bombs on them as a thank you without a huge wave of anti Americanism in response. Furthermore, I'd like to know why opposing the current illegitimate regime in Washington (installed by a corrupt Supreme Court in a coup following a rigged election in Florida in which thousands of minority voters were illegally disenfranchised) or its war mongering qualifies one as anti-American. I love America. Dissent is not anti American.

�Of course, I'm a regionalist who supports the idea his region joining the U.S. some time in the future (but that's another topic), still it means I'm pretty familiar with Canada and Canadians.

Koiyotnik

Beyelzu
I'm aware that you were merely being facetious in your above post, but I want to point out that what you said is an unfair generalization of Canadians. I actually meet very few others who are "anti-American," even up North away from the border.

On the other hand, I may disagree with your country's policies, or elected leaders, or actions, but that doesn't mean that I'm anti-American. It simply means that I do not like certain aspects of America's current government and state. Correct me if I'm wrong, but a lot of Americans act the same way. In fact, I do the same with Canada, or any other country. I don't like Jean Chretien. Does that mean I'm anti-Canadian?

If you mistake Canadian pride for anti-Americanism, then I suppose you just don't understand our forms of nationalism.

Somehow, whenever I travel in the US, I meet at least one person whom, upon learning that I am Canadian, assumes that I hate their country and everything they stand for.

It becomes quite insulting after a while to be treated as such.

That's really all I have to say. Sorry for taking this thread off-topic, too.

-Koiy.

Koiyotnik

Sakpo, not only do I look like your sister, but I pretty much say everything you do one minute later.

Sakpo

Odd. She does that as well.....hmm.

Sojourner553

Hey, "I" am an American.

But for the first time EVER, I am ashamed!

Why? I am ashamed that the President of my country is acting the role of bad guy-- ready and willing to cause a lot of pain and suffering in Iraq -- just so our plutocrats can take control over their oil.

Go Mandela!

Sojourner

beyelzu

in no particular order, I was kidding thats why i used a smiley. I was kidding thats why I used a smiley.

I dont think that Canada is anti american. I also point out that Bush would have won the election without the supreme court. There was no disenfranchisement of minority voters, please prove this assertion. I think we need to go to war with N korea so I do oppose the war in Iraq.

so to recap, I was just kidding.

beyelzu

I WAS KIDDING, I DO NOT THINK THAT ALL CANADIANS ARE ANTI AMERICAN.


My original point was that Mandela was just spewing the same anti american garbage with the whole ww2 atom bomb rhetoric that I can read here. Plenty of people hold america to a higher standard than they hold other countries to. but again I was kidding.

thats an example of anti american rhetoric, I will assume that its serious cuz there is no smiley face.

I really dont get these responses to a joke, it may not have been funny but what the hell. I understand national pride by the way.

August Spies

Beyelzu: hey when you actually want to make some argument instead of silly character attacks we will be waiting.

(the ability of some americans to never believe their country can do wrong is astounding)

Sakpo

From Salon.com, possibly initially published in Harpers magazine

"Secretary of State Katherine Harris hired a firm to vet the rolls for felons, but that may have wrongly kept thousands, particularly blacks, from casting ballots."

Another Greg Palast article with more detailed break downs on individuals wrongfully denied their votes


From the Concord Monitor, Stolen Votes

"Had thousands of voters not wrongly been turned away from the polls, the outcome in Florida probably would have been different and Gore, not Bush, would be in the White House. Most of the disenfranchised voters were black."

Emphasis mine (they're all relevant though, as is the entire article).



Anyone here have a good link (or links) on the Texan list? You all know what I mean.

The chad fiasco was a distraction from a more important issue. The Democratic Party should be ashamed for its failure to stand up for the thousands of loyal black supporters who came out for them and were disenfranchised.

BBC link w/ video

The video is less than 15 mins, and though the sound is sort of tinny it's worth watching.

Gringo

Personally, I doubt many of these "peacemakers" who oppose going to war with Iraq give two shits about the Iraqi people. The Iraqi people need a regime change. Saddam is torturing and killing individuals, families and communities.

We'll go to war within a couple of months and you'll see many Iraqi people celebrating their new found freedom from tyranny after we've liberated them. You'll also hear many more untold horror stories of Saddam's crimes against humanity to add to the collection we've already heard. I believe Bush is right to go in and attack this regime. I'm glad we have a president who has the cojones and the foresight to stand up for what is right.


http://www.timmerman2000.com/news/insight_iraqwmd.htm

Have y'all heard of any of this?