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02-16-2002, 11:41 AM

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MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - In awarding custody of three teenagers to their father over their gay mother, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court on Friday wrote that homosexuality is "an inherent evil" and shouldn't be tolerated.

Chief Justice Roy Moore wrote that the mother's relationship made her an unfit parent and that homosexuality is "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature."

Moore also quoted scripture, historical documents and previous state court rulings that he said backed his view.

<a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/feb/15/021509164.html" target="_blank">Full story</a>

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Toto · 02-16-2002, 11:52 AM

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"It's unfortunate Alabama is going to be embarrassed once again by a religious fanatic in a position of power in Alabama," White said. "It's obvious he cannot judge a gay person fairly and he should be removed from office."

Since Moore got into office based on the publicity over backing the 10C, this doesn't look likely.

Dark Jedi · 02-16-2002, 08:51 PM

I don't know. Using scripture in his decision gives a clear shot at failed impartiality and unconstitutional decision making.

It may be that he has finally collected enough rope to hang himself.
What is the procedure to impeach a judge?

RufusAtticus · 02-17-2002, 12:57 AM

My guess is that it will be appealed to the US courts. There are clear reasons for higher courts to hear the case since the Judge did use scripture for his rulling. The establishment clause is rolling in its grave.

-RvFvS

Grizzly · 02-17-2002, 10:45 AM

this is the same clown that put a 5-ton stone decalogue in the middle of the rotunda of the Alabama State Courthouse. This guy is a nutter. I refuse to do any business or travel through Alabama. That state just scares the shit out of me.

Grumpy · 02-17-2002, 11:59 AM

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Originally posted by Dark Jedi:
<strong>What is the procedure to impeach a judge?</strong>

Roy Moore was elected Chief Justice. <a href="http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/Constitution1901_toc.htm" target="_blank">Article VI</a> of the Alabama constitution says justices hold terms of 6 years. Since the election was in 2000 IIRC, the Yellowhammers have to deal with Crazy Roy for 4 more years. (It appears the term of a judge cannot be shortened, only ended at its natural time.)

Justice Moore may want to check <a href="http://www.legislature.state.al.us/CodeOfAlabama/Constitution/1901/Constitution1901_toc.htm" target="_blank">one other part</a> of the state constitution, just to be sure that his imposition of scriptural law in a domestic case doesn't amount to, say, an impermissible establishment of religion.

dogwood · 02-17-2002, 12:00 PM

I'm... from Alabama. There I said it. I'm not proud about it right now, but at least I'm honest.

hezekiah jones · 02-17-2002, 03:05 PM

D. James Kennedy is offering an <a href="http://www.inspirationcruises.com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/d__james_kennedy.html" target="_blank">Alaska Cruise</a> this August, featuring Chief Justice Roy Moore.

The <a href="http://www.inspirationcruises.com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/Kennedy2002AK.PDF" target="_blank">brochure</a> promises both "fabulous cuisine served on gleaming Rosenthal china" and "each day filled with adventure." The latter presumably refers to Judge Moore's creative interpretation of the Establishment Clause.

fromtheright · 02-17-2002, 07:29 PM

Aw, c'mon, Grizzly, pay us a visit sometime. If you time it just right, you'll probably miss the monthly atheist round-up by the state troopers.

Captain Pedantic · 02-18-2002, 02:56 AM

It seems utterly ridiculous to me that a judge would decide that Bible scripture (or rather, his own personal interpretation of Bible scripture) was a sound enough way to judge who should get custody of children.

But then, I'm not religious.

Furthermore, those children must surely be old enough to think for themselves on this subject. One of them is eighteen, for goodness' sake!

02-16-2002, 11:41 AM	#1
atheist_in_foxhole Guest Posts: n/a	Judge cites scripture to condemn gays Excerpt: MONTGOMERY, Ala. (AP) - In awarding custody of three teenagers to their father over their gay mother, the chief justice of the Alabama Supreme Court on Friday wrote that homosexuality is "an inherent evil" and shouldn't be tolerated. Chief Justice Roy Moore wrote that the mother's relationship made her an unfit parent and that homosexuality is "abhorrent, immoral, detestable, a crime against nature, and a violation of the laws of nature." Moore also quoted scripture, historical documents and previous state court rulings that he said backed his view. <a href="http://www.lasvegassun.com/sunbin/stories/nat-gen/2002/feb/15/021509164.html" target="_blank">Full story</a> [ February 16, 2002: Message edited by: atheist_in_foxhole ]</p>

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02-16-2002, 08:51 PM	#3
Dark Jedi Veteran Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Afghanistan Posts: 4,666	I don't know. Using scripture in his decision gives a clear shot at failed impartiality and unconstitutional decision making. It may be that he has finally collected enough rope to hang himself. What is the procedure to impeach a judge?

02-17-2002, 12:57 AM	#4
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	My guess is that it will be appealed to the US courts. There are clear reasons for higher courts to hear the case since the Judge did use scripture for his rulling. The establishment clause is rolling in its grave. -RvFvS

02-17-2002, 10:45 AM	#5
Grizzly Veteran Member Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Tallahassee, Florida Posts: 2,936	this is the same clown that put a 5-ton stone decalogue in the middle of the rotunda of the Alabama State Courthouse. This guy is a nutter. I refuse to do any business or travel through Alabama. That state just scares the shit out of me.

02-17-2002, 12:00 PM	#7
dogwood Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: new orleans Posts: 61	I'm... from Alabama. There I said it. I'm not proud about it right now, but at least I'm honest.

02-17-2002, 03:05 PM	#8
hezekiah jones Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: WI Posts: 4,357	D. James Kennedy is offering an <a href="http://www.inspirationcruises.com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/d__james_kennedy.html" target="_blank">Alaska Cruise</a> this August, featuring Chief Justice Roy Moore. The <a href="http://www.inspirationcruises.com/Alaska_Cruises/D__James_Kennedy/Kennedy2002AK.PDF" target="_blank">brochure</a> promises both "fabulous cuisine served on gleaming Rosenthal china" and "each day filled with adventure." The latter presumably refers to Judge Moore's creative interpretation of the Establishment Clause.

02-17-2002, 07:29 PM	#9
fromtheright Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Huntsville, AL Posts: 633	Aw, c'mon, Grizzly, pay us a visit sometime. If you time it just right, you'll probably miss the monthly atheist round-up by the state troopers.

02-18-2002, 02:56 AM	#10
Captain Pedantic Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: UK. Posts: 588	It seems utterly ridiculous to me that a judge would decide that Bible scripture (or rather, his own personal interpretation of Bible scripture) was a sound enough way to judge who should get custody of children. But then, I'm not religious. Furthermore, those children must surely be old enough to think for themselves on this subject. One of them is eighteen, for goodness' sake!

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