himynameisPwn

Burden of proof fallacy. I asked the question in the first place, and you made the assertion.

But, in order to satisfy your question, "bad" is a loaded word. I'll say sex without love isnt immoral. I define immorality as an intentional act of harm. Since, the prostitute and client are consenting to sex, any harm done is their own fault, its like getting into a drag racing car and then complaining when you get seriously injured, you know the risks and are consenting, so immorality doesn't enter the question.

Whether sex without love is better or not is irrelevant. Snickers are better than Milky Ways, but I don't see eating Milky Ways to be an immoral act.

By the way Doug, without your religious "morals", how would prostitution be immoral? Is Drag racing then immoral(according to your previous logic)? Is Drag Racing if you don't love the sport immoral? Surely drag racing is much better when you love the sport.

Derec

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That could be a good idea for a bumper sticker but maybe a bit too much for the Bible Belt.

Jagged

I would not agree with this categorically.

Aethari

Just to throw in my two cents, I don't think the prostitution is immoral, but following my line of arguement in the premarital sex thread, I think it is something that should be proceeded in with great care. Not that I would know from experience

~Aethari

Gallimore

I have been perusing the contents of this forum. One self-evident point has been overlooked, guys. Prostitutes are sex experts in that they have better bed skills (practically everything associated with sexual pleasure, really) than the majority of girlfriends, wives, lovers, partners, throughout the nation. Herein lies their power. For middle-aged men, they are shutters out of reality, for teenager boys they alleviate adolescent urges, for old men they’re nymphs made mind and flesh. The old statement that only ugly despondent caters to prostitutes is a misinformed observation that I find very annoying.

Guys are time bombs. To use another simile, they have so much money and the mall is closing. Every man in the subconscious recesses of his brain covets the realization of his most erotic fantasy before he dies. Psycholoanalysis has an explanation for it. There’s an eternal female figure in the man’s subconscious or imagination called Anima, whose physical symmetry dwarfs any real female human being. Prostitutes remain the most willing creatures to fully realize men’s latent urges, their imagination, curiosities, fetishes (however well repressed), without moral, social, political, religious constraints normally sanctioned within the society. Serious relationships with girlfriends or wives generally do not fulfill this aching void, simply because they exist for far less physical than emotional purpose.

Subjected thus: prostitutes are good, so good at sex because they come from the heights of the sexual pantheon where they stand like goddesses who hold the fate of mankind in the balance.

Bumble Bee Tuna

Douglas, you wanted proof that prostitution isn't bad.

Here it is:

Sex is fun. It only "emotionally damages" those who have been fooled by an ancient fairy tale into thinking they're doing something wrong.
Something that is fun, voluntary, and non-harmful is definitely a good thing.

I await your proof.

-B

sentinel00

Not that I'd ever want to be caught defending Douglas... but what you have posted is not a proof, merely an assertion. He can answer it with assertions of his own, and neither of you are any closer to what the truth might be.

Please, in the future, don't hurt our side with such foolishness.

Jagged

You have some interesting ideas Gallimore.

You say prostitutes have better "bed skills" than wives, girlfriends, lovers, etc. I find this hard to believe. For one thing, people in a long-term sexual relationship often become extremely attuned to the other's particular turn-ons and know just how to pleasure their partner. I'm sure the idea of any other woman (or man) could be an exciting one because of the "unknown" factor, but is that really about subconscious desire for an ideal female "Anima"?

As to realization of fetishes, imagination without constraints - filling of an "aching void" of curiosity and longing, why do you feel that this is not possible with wives or girlfriends? I don't mean that in an accusatory way, but I for one would hope that my parner would share these types of fantasies with me as part of our physical relationship.

Do any other guys here also see prostitutes as "godesses"? Or perhaps do they serve a more utilitarian purpose - assisting in obtaining a release from sexual frustration?

Or, to put it another way, what does a prostitute offer that a wife/girlfriend/partner does not?

And, for anyone who doesn't mind admitting utilizing the services of a prostitute, did you find her much more proficient in the sexual arts than a "regular" partner?

Gallimore

I must first impose a distinction between “making love” and “fucking.” The former consists of moral implication. The latter, perhaps the opposite…It dismisses anything religious. The excitement largely comes from infidelities, orgies, fetishes, which I don’t believe most rational men would purport such orientation with wives, girlfriends, etc. This orientation tends to create unwanted insecurities.

The subconscious desire for an ideal female “anima” is really a desire for the unattainable. I think the proper word is, “nymphlopesey.” Wives or girlfriends don’t fulfill this desire because of the obvious reason: their attainability. Temptation plays a great role in this subconscious desire. What characterizes prostitutes is this: their mystery, their rootlessness, their husbandlessness. Above all, their unattainabilty. This always has a strange, impalpable effect on the male psyche.

I’ve mentioned the reason, perhaps too briefly. It is highly improbable, though not impossible, that wives or girlfriends will realize their partner’s sexual imagination, because of the moral code usually embedded in serious relationships. It would be altogether far more difficult for a husband to tell his wife, “I want to treat you like a slut. I want to fuck your anus,” than to a prostitute, wouldn’t it? I think many wives and girlfriends recognize their limitations.

Sharing your fantasies with your significant other is good. Many sex therapists encourage it, but I suspect they’ve overlooked one point. The effect of fantasies comes from secrecy. When it’s a secret, it becomes intensely special, intensely personal. The sharing of fantasies with wives and girlfriends tends to enervate or exacerbate this kind of intensity.

I see prostitutes as nymphs, as goddesses. They’ve been around since molding time began. I think prostitution is a formidable business because it caters to men’s imagination. If there were no imagination in men, prostitution would probably lose its allurement. Prostitutes might serve some utilitarian purpose, but the conventional thinking that they exist for those with sexual frustration annoys me. Prostitutes are noble creatures. You see them in important paintings, in Greek and Roman mythologies, in Shakespeare’s sonnets.

Men tend to attribute wives and girlfriends to reality. Prostitutes to imagination. Sex as sport, sex as creative performance – I doubt the wife or girlfriend’s abilities there. With wives and girlfriends, men tend to endeavor a sense of oneness. They tend to be highly subjective, taking such women as possessions, as sacred creatures. They have very little tolerance for adultery. Whereas, those who appreciate prostitutes tend to be obsessed with multiplicity. Here they are objective: I am fucking you. We are two people. We aren’t one.

Amen-Moses

Great sex, personally I have never paid a prostitute for sex (I've paid plenty of non prostitutes for it though!) but the few I have had the pleasure of knowing were far superior to the other women I've known in the sex department.

The most important thing was that they knew how to please a man, a skill that many women think they know but in fact do not.

Amen-Moses