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Annabel Lee · 04-10-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
The "Since Birth" is a dead give away. Not only that you proudly flaunt the fact that you are gay, it doesn't take a genius to make the connection. lol

Are you suggesting that she go into the "Closet"?

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:39 PM

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Originally posted by HelenM
Maybe so; I wouldn't know.

Insulting and ridiculing them in turn wouldn't be my preferred way of trying to get them to realize it.

Helen

Helen,

My apologies for my rudeness when you first appeared in my thread... try to understand I was rubbed raw to begin with.

~Smilin

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:42 PM

Badfish:

You originally stated you came to this thread to just hang out and leave your religious convictions behind you. Please stick to your statement... okay?

Thank you,
Smilin

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:46 PM

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Originally posted by HelenM
There are posts on this thread that ridicule and insult people at CF. Ridicule and insults tend to hurt people whether they are true or not.

Helen

Agreed Helen,

and Christianity is a 2000 year old tradition of torturing/genocide/persecution/harrassing etc, etc
of those who are different from the Anglo-Saxon, 'moral majority'.
Christianity has done far worse than ridicule and insult...

This thread was dedicated for those who have suffered ridicule, insult, and hate at CF. Just that simple. As I stated before, I was invited here and given permission for this thread. And I stand by my convictions.

However, my original remarks to you were uncalled for and displayed very bad manners... Again my apologies.

Regards,
~Smilin

HelenM · 04-10-2003, 12:47 PM

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Originally posted by Smilin
Helen,

My apologies for my rudeness when you first appeared in my thread... try to understand I was rubbed raw to begin with.

~Smilin

That's ok - I don't think I showed up in the friendliest manner possible...I admit wasn't surprised at the some of the reactions I got

But, really, I can be quite decent sometimes

Helen

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:50 PM

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Originally posted by livius drusus
Hi Badfish -

Chicken Girl has graciously recreated the entire "If You Have Set Yourself on Fire, Do Not Run" thread on a mirror site and there is a rumor that it might soon have a permanent home on the main site as well.

Nice one Livius..

I grin while I consider a thread topic: If God has set you on fire for him..PLEASE don't run... remember to drop and roll!

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:54 PM

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Originally posted by mfaber
You have to realize that to most Baptists, the phrase "liberal Christian" is as much of an oxymoron as "creation scientist" is to most of us.

Agreed,
and It's amazing that those who claim the title of 'Christain' are allowed to participate in their 'creation science' forum.

What are they afraid of???????

queue the music..

WHO'S AFRAID OF THE BIG BAD WOLF....THE BIG BAD WOLF...THE BIG BAD WOLF...

I look forward to your return gladiatrix. I've learned much from your diverse knowledge of theology... (boy I must have been snoozing during all those theology classes I took) lol

Birdsmgp · 04-10-2003, 12:55 PM

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Originally posted by Badfish
Hi Michael

Don't you think it's possible that the millions of unique species may have an intelligent designer behind them?

Since you are advocating only accepting what we can see, then the fact remains that I cannot see how life blossomed from nothing.

This is an observation that will stand the test of time and makes God a consideration for everyone (even in the back of their minds) IMO.

Something cannot come from nothing. Since we can observe the expansion of the universe we can theorize with some certainty that it had a beginning.

If all life came from a singularity, where did the singularity come from?, And that singularity had to contain all the building blocks for the vast splendor of the Universe along with the millions of different kinds of species on earth.

There had to be a first cause.

As far as the NA Indians, yes they seemed very much in tune with the earth, they had to be, they were / are free spirits with no desire to pursue mass colonized cities and were happy out on the plains, I envy their lifestyle.

... > "Don't you think it's possible that the millions of unique species may have an intelligent designer behind them? " < ...

... That is part of what got me believing in Christianity in the early part of my life. I am awe stricken by it. Of course. I look at this and I continue to wonder...(???) Yet, what I also see is the competition, the mutations and the struggle for survival. Showing evolution is the prime roots and most often in contradiction to the things mentioned in the Bible.

... > "Something cannot come from nothing. Since we can observe the expansion of the universe we can theorize with some certainty that it had a beginning. " < ...

... I have been thinking of that. And what I think of is: We happen to be the beginning as the Earth formed in this Solar System and Earth cooled down stimulating amino acids to life forms. In time, trying to conform to the environment. In earlier time, life started out with giants and dinosaurs. The Bible is far from explaining this. It leaves out rational explaination to these things. If there is anything close to a "God", it may really be one that most Religions really haven't grasped for the real one. As for the Indians, the Deity concepts, I think are instinctive? I almost think they are closer to the concepts of life, then most other Religions. I think Christianity comes more with man made ideas of the Egyptian mythologies that made the Mediterranean area with Rome a cultural goal to subjegate mankind for this emperial world control of the world. With this, we are really accepting the evils that man has really come up with in his evils. This has been a religion I feel that is suppressing the real intent on where and what we are. If there is a "God", I think we accept this "God", by learning to accept Nature and who we are. If we are a mutation of the biological, then let that diversity be accepted. I think if we accept that diversity, then we accept what is. Or what ever it might be. I hope that innocence with this life will direct us more than allow ourselves to be fooled with the deceptions of Man's mythologies and religions. We still need to learn to be "Objective", then being "Subjective". "God" should make himself relevant. Not a big guessing game.

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 12:58 PM

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Originally posted by wildernesse
The reason many people come here to gripe is because here there is something that CF lacks--freedom of expression. CF is not a transparent organization that allows dissent. Which would be fine if it weren't a *discussion* board.

I'm not offended by pz's comments. That's what he thinks. I disagree with him, but as long as he's not in my house rounding up my "dead books" and insisting that I give no attention to "ancient dogma" I think that he may think whatever he likes. Anyway, if the Word of God needs defending by little ole me, I have some serious problems with its greatness.

Many Christians are, in fact, wedded to dogma that they rarely think about or study to any degree. That's the very thing that stifles discussion and growth and leads to ostracizing people who question.

--tibac

Agreed wilde...
not only freedom of expression, but insulting/demeaning/verbally bashing those who dare to question.

on a side note... your signature (--tibac) is what threw me and kept the light bulb from going off.

May I enquire the meaning? Just curious...

(and smack rufus again...HOW do you put up with a chimp that just looks at you all day and shakes his head back and forth)????

Smilin · 04-10-2003, 01:01 PM

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Originally posted by Lasher

two twin baby girls holding hands who've been sisters since birth...

and you were judged and found guilty of a 'gay' avatar? You're kidding right. They weren't informed enough (totally ignorant) that one of my original avatars displayed the three prominant animals of the eastern Cherokee Nation (heathons to them)

Care if I respond to them on this matter?

Why am I reminded of the tragedies of the Salem witch hunts all of a sudden?????

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Smilin Veteran Member Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: SouthEastern US Posts: 1,165	Badfish: You originally stated you came to this thread to just hang out and leave your religious convictions behind you. Please stick to your statement... okay? Thank you, Smilin

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