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Rusting Car Bumper · 10-30-2002, 12:44 PM

Can someone tell me about the prophecies regarding the city of Tyre in the Bible and why they are wrong.

DC

cloudyphiz · 10-30-2002, 01:20 PM

steven carr has a good page on the subject.
<a href="http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/prophecy.htm" target="_blank">here's the link</a>

-gary

offa · 10-30-2002, 04:50 PM

Offa; Tyre is a location within the boundaries of Judea. Regardless of who the leader of this location was, he was referred to as king Hiram. Tyre and Sidon were probably Sodom and Gomorrah, two pithy little locations near to the Dead Sea. The URL with Steven Carr is another example of fundie fodder.

leonarde · 10-30-2002, 06:59 PM

C'mon!! Tyre and Sidon were/are on the Med. Sea Coast (ie in today's Lebanon). They were not in "Judea". I can see not knowing, but why make up stuff?????

B. H. Manners · 10-30-2002, 07:16 PM

Well, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah state that Nebuchadnezzar was going to destroy it, and guess what: it didn't happen!

leonarde · 10-30-2002, 08:29 PM

Shame on Nebuchadnezzar! Perhaps offa gave him bad
directions and he ended up in Judea?

B. H. Manners · 10-31-2002, 08:57 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by leonarde:
Shame on Nebuchadnezzar! Perhaps offa gave him bad
directions and he ended up in Judea?

...and look at the pure hell he raised there!

Rusting Car Bumper · 10-31-2002, 09:23 AM

Quote:

Originally posted by BH:
Well, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah state that Nebuchadnezzar was going to destroy it, and guess what: it didn't happen!

cloudyphiz,

thanks!

BH,

Can you give chapter and verse of these. One is given in the URL above so where is the other alleged prophecy given.

DC

B. H. Manners · 10-31-2002, 10:03 AM

It will be a little while for I have to find my concordance. It's amazing how you forget all this stuff when you don't believe it anymore.

B. H. Manners · 10-31-2002, 10:16 AM

It did not take as long as I thought. It is in Isaiah Chapter 23. I mistakenly thought it mentioned Nebuchadnezzer but it does mention specifically that the Chaldeans were the ones to destroy the city, not some later Macedonian army.

This chapter in Isaiah, especially verse 13 on, is a classic example of how different translations can take an ancient text and make it say different things. Get an KJV, NIV, NRSV, RSV, and NAS and compare the chapter especially verse 13 through 17. I think you will see what I mean. These translators claim to be "experts" and I am not knocking anyone's education, but you would think that they would not have such a wide divergence of opinions regarding translating if they knew as much about the ancient languages as they profess to.

[ October 31, 2002: Message edited by: BH ]

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B. H. Manners Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,213	It did not take as long as I thought. It is in Isaiah Chapter 23. I mistakenly thought it mentioned Nebuchadnezzer but it does mention specifically that the Chaldeans were the ones to destroy the city, not some later Macedonian army. This chapter in Isaiah, especially verse 13 on, is a classic example of how different translations can take an ancient text and make it say different things. Get an KJV, NIV, NRSV, RSV, and NAS and compare the chapter especially verse 13 through 17. I think you will see what I mean. These translators claim to be "experts" and I am not knocking anyone's education, but you would think that they would not have such a wide divergence of opinions regarding translating if they knew as much about the ancient languages as they profess to. [ October 31, 2002: Message edited by: BH ]</p>

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10-30-2002, 01:20 PM	#2
cloudyphiz Senior Member Join Date: May 2001 Location: rochester, ny, usa Posts: 658	steven carr has a good page on the subject. <a href="http://www.bowness.demon.co.uk/prophecy.htm" target="_blank">here's the link</a> -gary

10-30-2002, 04:50 PM	#3
offa Regular Member Join Date: Aug 2000 Location: Monroeville, Ohio, USA Posts: 440	Offa; Tyre is a location within the boundaries of Judea. Regardless of who the leader of this location was, he was referred to as king Hiram. Tyre and Sidon were probably Sodom and Gomorrah, two pithy little locations near to the Dead Sea. The URL with Steven Carr is another example of fundie fodder.

10-30-2002, 06:59 PM	#4
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	C'mon!! Tyre and Sidon were/are on the Med. Sea Coast (ie in today's Lebanon). They were not in "Judea". I can see not knowing, but why make up stuff?????

10-30-2002, 07:16 PM	#5
B. H. Manners Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,213	Well, the prophets Ezekiel and Isaiah state that Nebuchadnezzar was going to destroy it, and guess what: it didn't happen!

10-30-2002, 08:29 PM	#6
leonarde Veteran Member Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: North America Posts: 1,603	Shame on Nebuchadnezzar! Perhaps offa gave him bad directions and he ended up in Judea?

10-31-2002, 10:03 AM	#9
B. H. Manners Veteran Member Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Texas Posts: 1,213	It will be a little while for I have to find my concordance. It's amazing how you forget all this stuff when you don't believe it anymore.

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