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monkenstick · 09-10-2002, 12:38 AM

bump?

Doubting Didymus · 09-10-2002, 01:10 AM

Sorry monkenstick, I think my heartless insensitive comments in the first few posts in this thread have blown your chances of getting a reply.

Coragyps · 09-10-2002, 06:46 AM

monkenstick: I have placed your sequences, with painfully (for me, I'm an amateur at this) crafted explanations, on three different boards along with requests for non-evolutionary explanations for them. I have, so far, one response from a creationist, and it was a one-line attempt at humor. I'm totally unsurprised, but just a tad puzzled - why do the silly bastards even try to "debate" at all? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

Blinn · 09-12-2002, 04:52 AM

I'll bump this, but I also doubt Vander will address it. Way over his head.

[ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Zetek ]</p>

Peez · 09-12-2002, 05:44 AM

That is an excellent post, and should probably be archived.

Peez

monkenstick · 09-16-2002, 05:01 PM

hear that?

its the deafening silence of an unanswered challenge

Blinn · 09-16-2002, 05:59 PM

Evil Milkman · 09-16-2002, 07:15 PM

Maybe he's on another holiday?

Vanderzyden · 09-16-2002, 08:31 PM

Monken,

OK, I'll bite.

The first order of business is to make this more than a hypothetical discussion:

With the confidence you exhibit, I presume that you have several independent corroborating studies which support your presentation.

Please provide definitive references.

Vanderzyden

Doubting Didymus · 09-16-2002, 08:37 PM

While you are at it, you'd better make sure you can corroborate THEM, as well.

Vander, If you think this 'corroboration' thing you've hit on is a big deal, think again. These studies we are citing are not strange obscure little one-off papers, they demonstrate the generally held consencus of thousands of biologists.

Undisputed: that human chromosome 23 is the product of a fusion event.

Undisputed: that humans share 98% of their genes with Chimps.

We can certainly find corroborating studies for these, but where will it end? At 2 verified papers? 3 papers? just where have you set your standard for corroboration?

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09-10-2002, 12:38 AM	#11
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	bump?

09-10-2002, 01:10 AM	#12
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	Sorry monkenstick, I think my heartless insensitive comments in the first few posts in this thread have blown your chances of getting a reply.

09-10-2002, 06:46 AM	#13
Coragyps Veteran Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Snyder,Texas,USA Posts: 4,411	monkenstick: I have placed your sequences, with painfully (for me, I'm an amateur at this) crafted explanations, on three different boards along with requests for non-evolutionary explanations for them. I have, so far, one response from a creationist, and it was a one-line attempt at humor. I'm totally unsurprised, but just a tad puzzled - why do the silly bastards even try to "debate" at all? <img src="confused.gif" border="0">

09-12-2002, 04:52 AM	#14
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	I'll bump this, but I also doubt Vander will address it. Way over his head. [ September 12, 2002: Message edited by: Zetek ]</p>

09-12-2002, 05:44 AM	#15
Peez Veteran Member Join Date: Apr 2001 Location: Canada Posts: 5,504	That is an excellent post, and should probably be archived. Peez

09-16-2002, 05:01 PM	#16
monkenstick Regular Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Australia Posts: 214	hear that? its the deafening silence of an unanswered challenge

09-16-2002, 05:59 PM	#17
Blinn Veteran Member Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Ohio, USA Posts: 1,162	<cricket chirping...>

09-16-2002, 07:15 PM	#18
Evil Milkman Regular Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Illinois Posts: 499	Maybe he's on another holiday?

09-16-2002, 08:31 PM	#19
Vanderzyden Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: California Posts: 694	Monken, OK, I'll bite. The first order of business is to make this more than a hypothetical discussion: With the confidence you exhibit, I presume that you have several independent corroborating studies which support your presentation. Please provide definitive references. Vanderzyden

09-16-2002, 08:37 PM	#20
Doubting Didymus Veteran Member Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: East Coast. Australia. Posts: 5,455	While you are at it, you'd better make sure you can corroborate THEM, as well. Vander, If you think this 'corroboration' thing you've hit on is a big deal, think again. These studies we are citing are not strange obscure little one-off papers, they demonstrate the generally held consencus of thousands of biologists. Undisputed: that human chromosome 23 is the product of a fusion event. Undisputed: that humans share 98% of their genes with Chimps. We can certainly find corroborating studies for these, but where will it end? At 2 verified papers? 3 papers? just where have you set your standard for corroboration?

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