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Comquirk · 04-06-2003, 12:27 PM

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explain why Taiwan is still flying the flag of the losing side in the Chinese civil war.

I think its because Taiwan doesn't consider itself part of China, while China does. Plus, for many years after the Cultural Revolution (until the early 70s, I think), the US and UN recognized the Government of Taiwan as the rightful governmnet of China.

Mageth · 04-06-2003, 12:53 PM

The whole point about changing the flag was the offensivness towards blacks, especially because of the circumstances of its adoption in 1956. And now they are changing the flag to something that will offend another group of people, not only atheists but religious folk that does not subscribe to the idea of an "god" such as Buddhists.

Don't forget that the proposed flag is an obvious adaptation of the CSA flag. It could still be considered offensive to African-Americans.

Psycho Economist · 04-06-2003, 05:49 PM

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Don't forget that the proposed flag is an obvious adaptation of the CSA flag. It could still be considered offensive to African-Americans.

Ah... come on! The whole reason the Confederacy added the saltire "battle flag" was because their national flag already looked too much like the Union flag.

That said, I don't understand any particular reason why the flag has twelve stars around the seal, why they all point outward from the seal instead of up, and I'll second that it's silly to put any text on a flag, especially by itself in the middle of a ground... and to not have it be something that references the state itself.

I think the "In God we trust" bit is inappropriate and pandering... but that's half the point. They can't pick on the Blacks any more, but it's still cool to pick on the Hin-doos and the Boot-ists and the Witches...

RufusAtticus · 04-07-2003, 07:35 AM

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Originally posted by Mageth
Don't forget that the proposed flag is an obvious adaptation of the CSA flag. It could still be considered offensive to African-Americans.

Actually it wouldn't since this is approximately the flag design that the African-American leaders who were pushing for the change had been proposing for the longest time until it was completely changed the last go around to the monstrocity we have today. The flag was changed not for any concern out for the Black community in Georgia, but because city buisness leaders were tired of hearing about it and didn't want a boycott.

RufusAtticus · 04-07-2003, 07:37 AM

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I think the "In God we trust" bit is inappropriate and pandering... but that's half the point. They can't pick on the Blacks any more, but it's still cool to pick on the Hin-doos and the Boot-ists and the Witches...

Our current flag has "In God We Trust" on it, and the legislator who sponcered the amendment to add it, didn't even vote for the flag. Go figure.

Shake · 04-07-2003, 07:37 AM

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Originally posted by Psycho Economist
I think the "In God we trust" bit is inappropriate and pandering... but that's half the point. They can't pick on the Blacks any more, but it's still cool to pick on the Hin-doos and the Boot-ists and the Witches...

Don't forget the Athi-ests!

enemigo, thanks! I'd heard there was a new flag design out, but hadn't seen it yet.

Mageth · 04-07-2003, 09:51 AM

Actually it wouldn't since this is approximately the flag design that the African-American leaders who were pushing for the change had been proposing for the longest time until it was completely changed the last go around to the monstrocity we have today. The flag was changed not for any concern out for the Black community in Georgia, but because city buisness leaders were tired of hearing about it and didn't want a boycott.

Umm, last time I checked there were more African-Americans in the U.S. than just those in Georgia. And I would wager that there are African-Americans even in Georgia that might be offended to know that the state flag was a slightly modified version of the CSA flag.

RufusAtticus · 04-07-2003, 10:52 AM

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Umm, last time I checked there were more African-Americans in the U.S. than just those in Georgia.

Yes, but Georgians are the only ones that matter on this issue.

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And I would wager that there are African-Americans even in Georgia that might be offended to know that the state flag was a slightly modified version of the CSA flag. [/B]

Perhaps some, but what you don't realize is that most African-Americans in Georgia had no opinion on the old flag. There were many polls that showed that the old flag wasn't as big a concern to the African-American community in Georgia as some people claimed. But for the most part, people were more offended by the battle flag's connection to the KKK and other white supremist groups than to its connection to the CSA. Black legislators in Georgia pushed for a flaged similar to the one above for nearly a decade but now that a change has occured they're not going to vote for another change reminding people that this is what they get for dragging their feet.

King Rat · 04-07-2003, 12:58 PM

This is from www.wired.com

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Elected Officials at Work
The Georgia General Assembly has its hands full during its current legislative session. For one, a group of fourth-graders prompted a push to make the green tree frog the official amphibian of Georgia. Rep. Victor Hill wrote 12 pages of rules to crack down on massage parlors that stay open all night. Another bill would make Bengal cats legal in Georgia. And Atlanta Rep. John Noel was so upset that he couldn't get sweet tea at a restaurant that he filed a bill to make it a misdemeanor "of a high and aggravated nature" not to offer sweet tea in any restaurant that serves iced tea. The punishment for such an egregious offense? Up to 12 months in jail.

I guess you oughta consider the source when discussing this flag business...

RufusAtticus · 04-07-2003, 01:18 PM

" And Atlanta Rep. John Noel was so upset that he couldn't get sweet tea at a restaurant that he filed a bill to make it a misdemeanor "of a high and aggravated nature" not to offer sweet tea in any restaurant that serves iced tea. The punishment for such an egregious offense? Up to 12 months in jail. "

This should be a federal law.

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04-06-2003, 12:53 PM	#12
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	The whole point about changing the flag was the offensivness towards blacks, especially because of the circumstances of its adoption in 1956. And now they are changing the flag to something that will offend another group of people, not only atheists but religious folk that does not subscribe to the idea of an "god" such as Buddhists. Don't forget that the proposed flag is an obvious adaptation of the CSA flag. It could still be considered offensive to African-Americans.

04-07-2003, 09:51 AM	#17
Mageth Contributor Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Deep in the heart of mother-lovin' Texas Posts: 29,689	Actually it wouldn't since this is approximately the flag design that the African-American leaders who were pushing for the change had been proposing for the longest time until it was completely changed the last go around to the monstrocity we have today. The flag was changed not for any concern out for the Black community in Georgia, but because city buisness leaders were tired of hearing about it and didn't want a boycott. Umm, last time I checked there were more African-Americans in the U.S. than just those in Georgia. And I would wager that there are African-Americans even in Georgia that might be offended to know that the state flag was a slightly modified version of the CSA flag.

04-07-2003, 01:18 PM	#20
RufusAtticus Veteran Member Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: NCSU Posts: 5,853	" And Atlanta Rep. John Noel was so upset that he couldn't get sweet tea at a restaurant that he filed a bill to make it a misdemeanor "of a high and aggravated nature" not to offer sweet tea in any restaurant that serves iced tea. The punishment for such an egregious offense? Up to 12 months in jail. " This should be a federal law.

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