Starboy

Yes it is. But there are theists that visit this forum and it may get them to thinking about separation of church and state. In any case it is a simple question that does not imply anything negative regarding religion but does make one think about the divisive nature of the US motto.

Starboy

Thieving Magpie

Actually, you just said it was the question.

You asked: 'What is the best motto for a freedom loving democracy?'

And being that this could mean any number of things, I asked, "Just what kind of freedom loving democracy are we talking about, here, anyway?"

You answered: "The one that uses "In god we trust" as a motto."

So logically, your question could have read 'What is the best motto for a freedom loving democracy that uses "In god we trust" as a motto?'

Well, no country that has 'In god we trust' as a motto must necessarily have 'E pluribus unum' as a motto, therefore, 'In god we trust' is the more correct answer.

In the case of the United States, neither option is superior, because they are both used by a 'freedom loving democracy.'

Starboy

Thieving Magpie, when the US was founded 'E pluribus unum' was the motto. It was not till the civil war that 'In god we trust' was added by Christians. For a freedom loving democracy that is composed of a diverse population the originial motto is more fitting. Of course I am sure you understood this and were just being Canadian.

Starboy

Thieving Magpie

All of those points are irrelevant.

Starboy

You win magpie.

Thieving Magpie

In the case of the US, E pluribus unum would be more fitting if the other one was sacked, though. And if both of them were sacked, so that one of them could then be fairly picked, then which ever one would eventually be picked, either by the voting public, or the administration would be preferable.

I doubt I have 'won' anything. These things are not matters to be won or lost.

JEST2ASK

Thanks ...Good point

JEST2ASK

Aww you won my respect :notworthy :notworthy :notworthy

However .. if it should come to that (a change in motto) ..... looking at the battles still being waged over getting prayer back in school .... posting the 10 commandments ... the pledge of alligence etc etc ... I would seriously consider moving North ... Hey i live in upstate New York ... so it would not be that big of a change ... It still amazes me that this country gets so caught up over triva while almost totally ignoring real problems

beyelzu

I think that its very interesting that many things that the religious right conservatives want to maintain in the name of tradition havent always existed in the us. The georgia state flag, changed in 58, the under god part of the pledge, and in god we trust. I think that that isthe point starboy.

church and god started out separated but over time the separation declined to the point that the country's motto included the word god.

Bumble Bee Tuna

I sincerely hope TM is not serious, but as I ahve no indication of that, here goes.

I do not see the logic here. Would you answer the question "which is the best thing to do for a girl who wants to be happy who is being abused?
1. Be abused
2. Stop being abused" as "1. Be abused" because obviously if she is being abused that is the best option? So under your way of thinking, nothing in the world should change, because the status quo is always the best option?

WTF?

-B