Amergin

Jews and Muslims both worship the same ONE GOD (YHWH or Allah) believed to be the god of Abraham. They have the same list of prophets with Islam having one more, Muhammad. I have not found much if anything in the Qur'an that contradicts Judaism. Their hour of onset of sabbath varies slightly. They both deny the possibility of a god-human.

Therefore, are Islam and Judaism really different denominations of the same religion. Christianity, which is almost entirely Pagan in its modern form, and while semantically monotheistic, it is in reality polytheistic. It appears to me looking at the three "Abrahamic" religions, that there are two forms of true Abrahamic Monotheism, Judaism and Islam. Christianity founded on Zoroastrianism and Mithraism is really a Pagan Cult with some christian trappings.

Amergin

CX

A minor niggle, but you might want to read through the thread "Misconceptions about Mithraism"/ Then proceed to make your argument vis-a-vis Zoroastrian & Mithraic influence on Xianity. As I see it Zoroastrianism influenced Judaism during the Babylonian captivity and Mithraism (Assuming one means Roman Mithraism) has very little similarity to Xianity and consequently cannot be said to have influenced it.

Volker.Doormann

No. YHWH means I (hebrew) (Y) am the life (HWH). HWH is a short of the hebrew Chavvah {khav-vaw} = 'EVA' = 'EVE' = 'Live giver' and Chavva has its roots in Shiva as the live giver as one of the trinity of Brahm, Vishnu and Shiva 'scHiWaH'.

Abraham is an enhanced name of ABram. He and his wife and sister Sara has its roots in the couple of Brahm and Sara_svati from the vedas in India.

It is said (hebrew bible), that the fathers of Abram worship other gods (not only one) and that they comes from east of the Jordan.

Looking for the principles of the trinity Brahm, Vishnu and Shiva, as principles for the creation, keeping and destruction of the human body, it has no meaning separated from each individual man as soul in present.

Muhammed wasn't able to read. He has had impressions as every man has about the inner consciousness of spiritual order. That, what in Mecca was astablished as vedic cult as a worship to Shiva and the three goddess Al'lah, Al'uzza and Menat Muhammed has missunderstood, because he believed, that the goddess figures itself should be goddess, and it is told, that he has removed 360 Figures from that temple in Mecca. That these three principles are only spiritual symbols he never had understood.
doormann.org/thunder0.htm (sorry mostly German)

Who cares about the Number of gods? Jewish Elohim is more than one god. And these gods are different from that god who is the principle of (physical) live (YHWH).

What is the truth of Pagan as a result of 'scientific' work? Who knows? Christs?

That, was is told about the spiritual understanding before the christian era is recognized in the trinity of the principles of the vedas, and because paghana or bhagana is a term from hindi, it is easy to recognize, what all is suppressed with this political term 'Pagan', which is 'successfully' used until our times.

As written here, most of the jewish Genesis is taken from the vedas and that that stuff never has a historical or other meaning extern from the consciousniss of men, can be understood by its symbolic elements of the procedure of creating men, with its naked and shamed attributes as most of us are aware of.

I think xianity is an error in understanding the teachings of Jesus. That, what Jesus has teached to some intimate friends and not to the folk, as he himself has stated in the gospels, deals only with the inner consciousness, but not with social rules in the outer world outside the body. Religion in its orign meaning is that only inner way of finding a spiritual order and its counterpart called love. All other things have no meaning and are simple structures of the social hierarchy of power to suppress the individual freedom of every single soul.

The principles which have found to express in wood, stone, planets or figures, which some people have called gods or goddess, have no meaning itself isolated from the inner consciousness. The only meaning has the own consciousness about reality in every present. And it seems that no past can fix the ethical challenges of the present.

I think that the question is not, whether some religions are more bad than others; it is ever the individual man who has himself to respond his actions. There are some great souls linked to spiritual principles. Rumi was a professor of theology in Islam, and he has IMHO produced the best poems about love in our world and Kabirs great poems are well known in hinduism and by the sikks, although he has criticized all religions. The sayings in the Gospel of Thomas are very far from xianity and its 'religious' dogmas, but they are as much as identic to the synoptic gospels, which was only added with some strange hollywood storys.

Gods ever where taken by religions to increase the power of their leaders, but the principle or principles ever where only in the own self of every single man to recognize and to respect it in freedom from religious bondage as a spiritual order.

Volker