The AntiChris

Hi HelenSL

I used the word "admitted" because that'd be the only way I'd know.

Absolutely nothing. Although I'd almost certainly avoid socialising with such people.

No, Unless I were presented with data that suggested such people represented a genuine threat to others.

Well, you'd have to point me in the direction of someone who has such fantasies but never admits it before I give you a considered opinion!

My concerns merely stem from the fact that, from my perspective, the types of fantasies we've been discussing (apparent pleasure from others' suffering) are not only completely alien to my "mindset" but also have the potential, if realised, to harm other human beings.

Chris

The AntiChris

Yes, you're right.

For all I know, a significant proportion of the world's population may have such fantasies but never actually enact them.

Chris

jordan_tar

Inaccurate...maybe somebody who said he'd never had a sex fantasy would be a liar, but not somebody who said he'd never had a rape fantasy...

HelenM

Indeed...

Unfortunately I already admitted my lack of psychic powers to Panta Pei in another forum so I can't claim to know who has rape fantasies they never admit to!

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Helen

Cutter

I've been reading this thread for a while now (OK, admittedly I've been skimming HelenSL and AntiChris's discussion) waiting for something to happen. It hasn't yet (unless I missed it) and, to me at least, boy is it fascinating.

I find it interesting how a few people have jumped up and condemned my original statement on rape fantasies. We had people deny it, question my own views on sexuality and a fairly in depth discussion on the nature of rape, and indeed fantasies themself.

What struck me, both in the denial of rape fantasies, and the nature of rape itself, was how it's considered so reprehensible (which I agree with), so of course we'd never do it (or even think it as some would have me believe).

I should point out though that I also stated that we all have at some point had murder fantasies as well. Funny how no one, especially those who protested at how reprehensible rape (even thinking about it) is, hasn't actually denied having a murder fantasy.

How am I to intrepret this? Do you not consider murder reprehensible? Do you, perhaps, feel that murder fantasies are harmless (even perhaps therapeutic)? If you think they are harmless, then why the hell are you getting into such a tizzy over rape fantasies? Why would one be harmless and the other not?

I'm not trying to pick a fight here, I just think they're some interesting points to ponder.

(Edit to change has to hasn't, proof read more closely dammit!)

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David Gould

I have thought long and hard before responding on this thread because my screen name is the same as my real one but have decided to go ahead anyway.

I have had rape/torture fantasies since I was about 8 years old.

I have never raped or tortured a woman, however.

In fact, I believe that I am one of the more moral human beings around, particularly with regard to women (perhaps I tend to try to compensate for the fantasies in some way?).

I do not really see a correlation between fantasies and reality - it is the people who fail to distinguish between them that are the problem.

I do not see anything morally wrong in raping and torturing a person that does not in fact exist. (in other words, fantasy)

However, I do see it to be totally wrong to rape and torture a person that does in fact exist.

That is the crucial moral distinction imo.

Cutter

I'd like to be the first to say that that took some guts David, admitting that using your real name. I salute you.

Christopher Lord

That violence is more acceptable is a strong indication of what our culture accepts and does not.

At one time, I am sure rape wasn't as evil as it is now. In fact, I remember reading a few books from earlier periods where women have no real rights and so the concept did not even exist.

But like I said before, society sets the rules we think by in a very real way. And violence fantasies are actually encuraged, especially in entertainment. I think this accounts for the difference Cutter pointed out. Sexual material is kept behind the counter until your 'old enough', preventing kids from learning about this potential source of perversion and how to avoid it, whereas quite extreme violence is labeled PG-13. And (without seeing the statisitcs) you dont see murderers running around in the same numbers you see rapists... Speaks volumes regarding human nature, especially considering my earlier post.

Oh, and hurray for real names! Can't wait for the first time some fundy tries to punch me out for what I write here...

HelenM

David thanks for sharing what you did.

I don't think I would have guessed that as sweet a guy as you would have those sort of fantasies. But then, maybe that's how you manage to stay that way outwardly - by dealing with certain feelings, inwardly. Which I think is obviously preferable to acting out.

It doesn't make sense that I would change my opinion of you because of what you wrote here. I'm surprised just because I am, but then I'm often surprised. So what

Cutter

Are you admitting to having a short attention span or are you trying to hint something about my posts to Chris back and forth? Can you clarify?

love
Helen

Cutter

I just have a short attention span!

(Edited to add)

Beside which, I'm studying at the moment, so I really don't have the time nor inclination to read anything that isn't 'bite sized' (for lack of a better term).

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